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re: Trump declass'd everything why does the DOJ and media keep saying the docs are classified?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:14 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:14 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Says someone who apparently is so fricking stupid that he thinks Trump as a private citizen still has the authority to declassify documents. January 19, dumbass. "I hereby declassify the remaining materials..."
Biden was sworn in January 20th you dullard. What a complete failure you have been in this thread.
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:15 pm to GumboPot
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but he actually wrote a memorandum
The Crossfire Hurricane one or something else?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:15 pm to GumboPot
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Fox News was reporting that they resigned because of the location of the trial in Miami.
He's been toiling in obscurity for orange man on the internets for years. Grab the brass ring, Bonds (just watch your back - Trump's lawyers have ended up jailed, disbarred, etc.)
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:16 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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I didn’t say any politician. I said the President
So Biden should get the benefit of the doubt. Got it.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The Crossfire Hurricane one or something else?
Does it matter? What is the requirement for declassification? Is there a law that outlines declassification procedure for the Commander in Chief?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:17 pm to pankReb
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Once again….Trump has never had a problem going public with denying things. Has he publicly denied those two incidents?
1). Not his burden
2). Puffery is something trump does a lot, reasonable that if a tape exists that is what it was.
3). I’m not positive there is a tape.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:17 pm to FlexDawg
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So where’s the part where he opened the folder and showed it to him?
It's on page 15. Trump is going to have problems here. That's just what it is.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:17 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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If the president can declassify any document in any manner he chooses that means there is no legal standard to charge him with a crime.
Ok but what if….and hear me out here….there’s an apparent recording where he specifically states the the document he’s showing is still classified.
Just because he CAN declassify it…..doesn’t automatically mean it is declassified.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:18 pm to GumboPot
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Does it matter? What is the requirement for declassification? Is there a law that outlines declassification procedure for the Commander in Chief?
If they have him on tape saying the document is still classified...
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:18 pm to GumboPot
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What is the requirement for declassification?
Actually declassifying it, for starters.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:18 pm to TigerDoc
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Bonds (just watch your back - Trump's lawyers have ended up jailed, disbarred, etc.)
Exactly. Mostly for process crimes “committed” during a contrived and illegal investigation. That is weaponization of government. No thanks.
You keep supporting this, though. It’s not short sighted at all.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:20 pm to pankReb
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So Biden should get the benefit of the doubt. Got it.
In matters of declassification of a document when he is the president of the United States? Yes! As I’ve pointed out twice, there is no legal standard a President must follow in this matter. It is solely up to him. This has been ruled upon in the matter of former President Bill Clinton.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:22 pm to TigerDoc
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If they have him on tape saying the document is still classified...
Again. That is the DOJ's claim. We need to see/hear the evidence to confirm if the tape exist and if it does exist their characterization is accurate.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:22 pm to GumboPot
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Does it matter?
If you are citing a random then that memorandum only applies to those specific documents and I don't think the primary documents at issue even have anything to do with crossfire hurricane. So what's the point of referencing a memorandum that has no value in this discussion?
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What is the requirement for declassification? Is there a law that outlines declassification procedure for the Commander in Chief?
I'm not even sure that the declassification status is the most important thing for these charges because it's based around documents relating to national security. I haven't read the indictment yet though
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:22 pm to BBONDS25
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1). Not his burden
So trump just completely changed how he’s handled adversity for 7 years because?
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I’m not positive there is a tape.
Have the other people present denied the event? He’s never had issues before with people familiar with his accusations to come forward and publicly deny. Take the Ukraine call, for instance.
If what you’re believe is to be true, do you not find it odd that Trump and his associates are oddly quiet right now?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:25 pm to Joeybd
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Hey gooberhead, IF anything is declassified, there is a paper trail for it. None exists for the traitor.
He is being charged under the espionage laws not just presidential records.
Basket deplorables = Stupidity.
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Joeybd
Seriously imagine going through your life in this dude's shoes.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:25 pm to BBONDS25
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The law clearly gives the President the authority to declassify anything for any reason, however he chooses to do it.
The question of whether he declassified anything is a fact issue. Hence, the allegation that the docs were classified. Trump can explain how and when he declassified.
Having the authority implies the ability to act or not to act.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:27 pm to pankReb
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So trump just completely changed how he’s handled adversity for 7 years because?
No, just telling you the legal standard. It wouldn’t surprise me, however, if Trump is quieter when the issue revolves around criminal allegations.
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Have the other people present denied the event? He’s never had issues before with people familiar with his accusations to come forward and publicly deny. Take the Ukraine call, for instance. If what you’re believe is to be true, do you not find it odd that Trump and his associates are oddly quiet right now?
No. I don’t think silence is stance for a criminal case. Attorneys tell their clients to shut up all the time.
There have been so many allegations that were complete lies…even from the DOJ, that it would be foolish to assume what they saying truthful. Even if it is, they need to prove trumps characterizations were accurate.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:27 pm to GumboPot
Did you read the indictment?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:28 pm to BBONDS25
Judicial Watch baw weighs in. I have no idea if he is full of shite.
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Tom Fitton
@TomFitton
I've carefully reviewed the indictment of Trump by his political opponents at the Biden Justice Department. (.
@JudicialWatch
has nearly 30 years of experience litigating federal and presidential records issues, including the famous "Clinton sock drawer" case.) The document dishonestly ignores the U.S. Constitution, the Presidential Records Act, legal precedent, and the DOJ's/Archives' previous position that WH records a president takes with him when he leaves the White House are presumptively personal and not subject to review by partisan Biden appointees at DOJ or Archives. Under the Constitution, federal law and precedent, none of the documents are currently "classified" or "national defense information" that restricts Trump's handing of them. They are ALL his personal records and, frankly, should be returned to him. If justice prevails, this indictment won't survive scrutiny by honest, constitutionalist judges and will be thrown out.
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