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re: Trump declares war on Freedom Caucus in latest tweet
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:40 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:40 am to AlaTiger
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Thoughts?
This is starting to resemble a more corrupt version of the Carter Administration?
An outsider no one predicted rises to the Presidency and is blackjacked because he has no natural allies and is too moderate for his own Caucus.
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:40 am to SoulGlo
Yes. During primary how many times did we hear the word "establishment"? Now we're learning Trump is the establishment and is asking that non-establishment members be primaried. Great job guys.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:40 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Donald is a mess. Looks like the swamp is draining him.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Hell, I d not know of anyone happy with it.
I can think of about 30 million that are pretty happy with it.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:49 am to MButterfly
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That's hardly the issue. Here it is one more time explained in different words. We'll even do bullets
* you will not turn this nation towards conservative ideals if nothing is ever passed.
* If you can't pass the most ideal thing, pass what you can to begin the path. Give them a taste.
This is the worst reasoning for voting for AHCA that I can imagine. The nation is not turning toward conservative ideals. It's quickly turning the other way and a faster and faster rate. Passing a bill that had 17% of the populations supports would only speed that up in the wrong direction. The bill sucked. It wasn't going to turn into something great after passing. It did nothing to fix the major issues and would some (premiums) much worse.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:49 am to KiwiHead
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What do you suggest you do with kids people who have ....Lupus or some other auto-immune disease that is not a result of some sort of lifestyle choice like smoking, etc. ? Let them suffer? I don't have a good answer, but the guys in the Freedom Caucus don't either .
The only thing that needs to be closed is a loophole that allows people to wait until sick.
In the 90s, there was a year wait on preexisting.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:50 am to half cajun
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Yes. During primary how many times did we hear the word "establishment"? Now we're learning Trump is the establishment and is asking that non-establishment members be primaried. Great job guys.
But, but he's THE ONLY ONE that can BEAT the ESTABLISHMENT!!!
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:52 am to AlaTiger
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Thoughts?
The simple fact remains that when they're only 30-35 people out of 535+1, the HFC literally thinks they have the right to demand their way or the highway to not just the house but the senate and POTUS and hold good reforms hostage because it doesn't check every ideological box for them.
How is that good governance that gets us away from bad failing law like Obamacare?
HFC may do good work sometimes they're mostly ideologues that can't see the big picture in the long run and that has no place in a system of government that was built on compromise and pragmatism by the framers of the finest legal document in world history.
It's amazing how they've completely supplanted the Republican Study Committee which was basically the freedom caucus but could still govern responsibly.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:53 am to Sentrius
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good reforms
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:55 am to MButterfly
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Unless the FC changes it's methods and takes somethings and stop the antics of "it's all my way or we don't vote for it", the GOP will swing the pendulum back at a faster pace to Dem control who will not think twice about forcing single payer.
My first boss used to always say "don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough" The Freedom Caucus lives in a certain delusion of what is possible. A lot of them are just as craven ego maniacs as the people who they replaced
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:56 am to Sentrius
quote:They manifestly do have that right since they just exercised it. When your majority in the House is <30 seats and the House is required to originate all spending bills, that's just reality.
The simple fact remains that when they're only 30-35 people out of 535+1, the HFC literally thinks they have the right to demand their way or the highway to not just the house but the senate and POTUS and hold good reforms hostage because it doesn't check every ideological box for them.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:59 am to SoulGlo
It won't be just obamacare dude, HFC is going to be balls to the wall on tax reform demanding absolute purity and that's supposedly something the entire republican party has more consensus on.
As dumb as Nancy Pelosi and hateful Harry Reid may be, they always had a knack for wrangling in the progressives and far left in their coalition and they always came around no matter what. I've always respected that.
As dumb as Nancy Pelosi and hateful Harry Reid may be, they always had a knack for wrangling in the progressives and far left in their coalition and they always came around no matter what. I've always respected that.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:00 pm to KiwiHead
Ryan's bill obviously wasn't "good enough". In fact, it was worse.
Financially insolvent programs are not conservative.
Financially insolvent programs are not conservative.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:00 pm to SoulGlo
The Freedom caucus did what every bad football does when not having a plan of their own to present. They 'dropped back twenty yards and punted' in hope of better field position. In other words, like Ole Miss they folded like cheap lawn furniture.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:02 pm to Sentrius
quote:OK let us know when good reform comes to the table.
and hold good reforms hostage
quote:This is exactly what the framers had in mind. If a policy can't pass because of 22 (4%) members of Congress can't pass it (believe that was the unofficial against count of HFC), then the policy has some issues.
and that has no place in a system of government that was built on compromise and pragmatism by the framers of the finest legal document in world history.
But then again, this also ignore the > 246 others that would also need to he against it.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:03 pm to AlaTiger
What gave anyone the impression that Trump was conservative in the first place?
With the exceptions of trade and immigration Trump was always to the left of Paul Ryan much less the HFC.
With the exceptions of trade and immigration Trump was always to the left of Paul Ryan much less the HFC.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:04 pm to MButterfly
A year is a long time especially if you have one of these problems like ulcerative colitis. If you have a flair up, it's incredibly uncomfortable and life threatening ( Glenn Frey) and the treatments are incredibly costly.
Maybe we split the baby. If you have had the condition for 3-4 years,previously had insurance then you can be automatically covered with no bullshittery attached.If you've had the condition,has been documented but have not had insurance then the one year wait kicks in.
Maybe we split the baby. If you have had the condition for 3-4 years,previously had insurance then you can be automatically covered with no bullshittery attached.If you've had the condition,has been documented but have not had insurance then the one year wait kicks in.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:04 pm to ozland
quote:Do you mean the FC or Trump? The FC didn't punt, they played stout defense against a terrible offense.
The Freedom caucus did what every bad football does when not having a plan of their own to present. They 'dropped back twenty yards and punted
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:05 pm to AlaTiger
Trump really wants to turn the Repubs into the modern day Whig party it seems. 
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:06 pm to Sentrius
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The simple fact remains that when they're only 30-35 people out of 535+1, the HFC literally thinks they have the right to demand their way or the highway to not just the house but the senate and POTUS and hold good reforms hostage because it doesn't check every ideological box for them.
This.
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How is that good governance that gets us away from bad failing law like Obamacare?
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HFC may do good work sometimes they're mostly ideologues that can't see the big picture in the long run and that has no place in a system of government that was built on compromise and pragmatism by the framers of the finest legal document in world history.
Thus Trump.
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It's amazing how they've completely supplanted the Republican Study Committee which was basically the freedom caucus but could still govern responsibly.
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