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Zero evidence of what? That Russia interfered in the election? Trump has said this is so. There is too much smoke for there to be no fire. I think collusion is a stretch but it is not a stretch to say that Russia interfered. My question is why is this shocking? There is NO way, given the nature of money in our political system, that foreign nations are involved in EVERY election in this country. Arguably they have a right to interfere.....they have financial interests. Anyone who lives in a world where lobbyists are not lobbying on behalf of foreign interests and governments is living in a dream world. You can rest assured that money in the US lobbies for our governments support of policies in foreign nations. It happens every minute of every day in both directions. Claiming otherwise because your boy is on the hot seat is the purest form of naivety.....

Seems reasonable to me. Same logic I use when someone suggests that the Clinton machine is responsible for murdering people who might expose their dastardly deeds.

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Posted by Bunyan

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:45 am to germandawg

Evidence that Trump/team colluded with the Russians. Nothing has been shown at all, yet the top Democrats are calling "treason." Literally.

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Posted by Old Hellen Yeller

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Member since Jan 2014

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:47 am to Seldom Seen

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Donald J. Trump?Verified account @realDonaldTrump 35m35 minutes ago So why aren't the Committees and investigators, and of course our beleaguered A.G., looking into Crooked Hillarys crimes & Russia relations?

Oh this is good

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Posted by germandawg

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:52 am to Bunyan

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Trump changes his "Drain the Swamp" motto/Blasts Democrats
Evidence that Trump/team colluded with the Russians. Nothing has been shown at all, yet the top Democrats are calling "treason." Literally.

You are correct...but collusion is only one of many things being investigated. Someone is going to be found "guilty" of something.....maybe only getting a blowjob.....but these things rarely if ever result in nothing.....has it ever happened?

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Posted by Robin Masters

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:53 am to TX Tiger

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Not sure what you consider "evidence" but I've discussed this ad nauseam on this board. Not sure how else to put it. Trump was hand-picked by the establishment to quell a general public that was on the verge of rioting over its displeasure with the establishment. Infiltrate, co-opt and kill has been a working model of the establishment for generations. The Tea Party is a good example in more recent times. Who better to pull this off than one of America's most successful and persuasive salesman. Look at how the media played it up, building him to rock star status. If the media wanted a campaign eliminated, it most certainly knows how to do that. Ask Ron Paul. But it did the opposite with Trump. It gave him 24/7 access to refute the softball allegations it tossed at him. Who does that? Who makes accusations and then gives that person 24/7 worldwide access for rebuttal? Trump has been entrenched in the establishment for 70 years. It's how he was able to build his fortune. Look at the establishment figures he's surrounded himself with since taking office. He continues to move forward with the establishment agenda in the Middle East. He's built up the establishment military industrial complex. He's doing nothing to "drain the swamp" but in fact keeps adding to it, and doesn't dare take on the Federal Reserve. He's as establishment as a human being could be and always has been. How he's fooled anyone is mind-boggling.

Interesting. Sorry if I missed previous posts of yours. I have started a new job recently so (thankfully) my TD time has been limited.

On one hand I see what you are saying about the media seemingly being willing participants in his popularity growth. They seemed to play right into his hands on a daily/weekly occurrence to the extreme that that some here suggested he was from the future.

On the other your premise requires all media and corporate interests to be working in synchronicity and Im not so convinced that our overlords work in orchestrated harmony to the point that such an endeavor would require.

The truth is I have no idea how deep any of this stuff goes so I'm not going to say you are wrong. Anyone who claims to know the absolute truth is no different than a religious zealot claiming to know what happens after we die.

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Posted by TX Tiger

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:56 am to Robin Masters

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Anyone who claims to know the absolute truth is no different than a religious zealot claiming to know what happens after we die.

Agreed, and congrats on the new job.

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Posted by Robin Masters

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:00 am to TX Tiger

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Agreed, and congrats on the new job.

Thanks! I enjoy your posts and point of view! I cant imagine being a person who accepts things at face value. Keep fighting the good fight.

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Posted by mmcgrath

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Member since Feb 2010

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:03 am to Bunyan

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"Drain the Swamp should be changed to Drain the Sewer

Don't think that one will catch on. Trump is losing his touch.

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Posted by TX Tiger

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Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:03 am to Robin Masters

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On the other your premise requires all media and corporate interests to be working in synchronicity and Im not so convinced that our overlords work in orchestrated harmony to the point that such an endeavor would require.

Other countries (if not all) do it. Not sure why it would be different here?