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re: Trump can’t do that!!!
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:36 pm to Decatur
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:36 pm to Decatur
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I’ve been trying to find a definition of “Foreign Government Deposit Funds”
What a surprise. You didnt look very hard
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President Trump Signs Executive Order Prohibiting Judicial Proceedings Against Venezuelan Oil Revenues Held in US Treasury “Foreign Government Deposit Funds”
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The EO states that protecting these funds is necessary to protect US national security and foreign policy interests, and specifically provides that any judicial process, such as liens, judgments, or garnishments, against these funds is prohibited and deemed null and void, and that such funds may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in unless licensed or otherwise authorized pursuant to the EO.
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Once issued, federal agencies and officials generally treat an executive order as presumptively lawful and will begin to effectuate the order by issuing regulations, revising policies, altering enforcement priorities, and even changing content and language on government websites and publications.
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Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:36 pm to Jugbow
Im a good guy.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:37 pm to Jugbow
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I'm not willing to go back and find it either.
Why is that funny?
Not only did you either not understand it the first time or you just didn't bother to read it, but you've got the same ability to go back and look that I do.
Why is it funny that I'm not willing to spend my time doing something like that, but it's not funny that you aren't?
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:40 pm to VOR
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The problem is that many posters mistakenly think than real conservatives must agree with Donald Trump and that’s absurd…
That's because they don't know the difference between populism and conservatism.
Populists MUST agree with Trump. He's the head populist, and Us vs Them is the only rule in populism.
Conservatives are only bound to agree with those who espouse conservative values. Sometimes that is Trump; just as often it's not.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:43 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I would have to research how they have set everything up. If they are claiming them as seized. Technically US companies built those oil drilling sites and provided all the equipment. When Chavez took over they seized all the equipment and sites. Then continued to pump oil out of sites they were contracted for. In the end the U.S. should at least reimburse those companies for the losses or like I said before reimburse the insurance companies that paid out the claims and pay off their other debt but they need the immediate funds to help rebuild and reestablish Venezuela before paying that off. That country is in bad shape. So they are using the legal system to protect that money for Venezuela so they can get back on their feet.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:43 pm to wackatimesthree
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Populists MUST agree with Trump. He's the head populist, and Us vs Them is the only rule in populism.
Kind of like you guys and Massie?
He’s the most staunch conservative right?
This post was edited on 1/20/26 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:44 pm to RobbBobb
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I’ve been trying to find a definition of “Foreign Government Deposit Funds” In the United States Code
Of course I’m familiar with the EO. It’s the only place in the world that mentions “Foreign Government Deposit Funds.” But that’s a problem because EOs don’t create new law and can’t empower the President to do something that he doesn’t have the constitutional authority to do.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:45 pm to Jugbow
Get permission from Congress who put is in 37 Trillion in debt
got it
got it
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:46 pm to ApexTiger
Hey man don’t be a populist for disagreeing with Massie.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:47 pm to Jugbow
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Kind of like you guys and Massie?
He’s the most staunch conservative right?
I don't pay any attention to Massie. I barely know who he is.
I don't know what his political philosophy is.
Again, you're so deep in populismland you literally cannot understand how a non-populist process this stuff.
I don't need Massie or anyone else to tell me what to think. I operate based on conservative principles. When there is a question of policy, I apply the question to those principles and get my own answer. I have no idea whether I would agree with Massie on most issues or not. I honestly don't care. He's not my representative and I have no ability to vote for him or not.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:49 pm to wackatimesthree
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I don't pay any attention to Massie. I barely know who he is. I don't know what his political philosophy is. Again, you're so deep in populismland you literally cannot understand how a non-populist process this stuff.
So you’re just in here to derail the thread. Thanks for acknowledging that.
You’re also not on subject you’re going on about conservatism in a thread where a congressmen is wrong about oil and acknowledged Congress is responsible for debt. Something I’d think conservatives would care about.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:53 pm to Decatur
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Yep
I STILL can't find in official specifics about this alleged deal.
Almost a week later, and this what little we know:
First Venezuelan Oil Sale Made
"Trump’s order noted that at least some of the revenue would be held in US Treasury accounts."
So...some will be held in NON-Treasury accounts? How much? How can US officials transact using accounts other than Treasury accounts? Has anybody seen the actual deal "we" allegedly made with "Venezuela?"
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:55 pm to Jugbow
Maybe if you and the entirety of Congress would not be frauds and thieves, there would be no need.
Congress have been pitiful fiduciaries to the American people.
Congress have been pitiful fiduciaries to the American people.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:56 pm to back9Tiger
Bro that’s just conservatism , stop being a populist and move along.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:57 pm to MikkUGA
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So they are using the legal system to protect that money for Venezuela so they can get back on their feet.
I don't doubt President Trump’s motives. Thanks. I agree that it needs more research.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 5:00 pm to Jugbow
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He did post about the Clinton’s. Once.
So why did you upvote Jackie's post that said Massie did not post about the Clintons?
Posted on 1/20/26 at 5:01 pm to Jugbow
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So you’re just in here to derail the thread.
No, I entered the thread to defend you against charges of hypocrisy.
And what an a-hole you've been about it, too.
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you’re going on about conservatism
Not really. I had a side conversation with another poster about it that (I think) was two exchanges long. You're the one keeping it going.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 5:03 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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So why did you upvote Jackie's post that said Massie did not post about the Clintons?
How would you know if I did or didn’t? FWIW I didn’t as I don’t upvote or downvote anyone. Look at most of my posts they have no upvotes. I don’t mess with that dumb shite
Posted on 1/20/26 at 5:06 pm to Decatur
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It’s the only place in the world that mentions “Foreign Government Deposit Funds.
EOs allow for the changing of wording in govt regs. Sorry you overlooked that part
31 USC 9705: Department of the Treasury Forfeiture Fund was passed, and been in existence since. No one has challenged it. Trump just issued a reg, on how to handle the Venezuelan seizures
Also, 18 U.S. Code § 981 "property involved in a violation investigated by the Secretary of the Treasury or the United States Postal Service, the property may also be seized by the Secretary of the Treasury or the Postal Service, respectively", allows for the Secretary to seize the asset. Codified in law. But wait, theres more:
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the Secretary of the Treasury, whenever property is seized under this subsection, the Secretary of the Treasury, may
(1) place the property under seal;
(2) remove the property to a place designated by him
Also codified
And this should pretty much end the debate
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(c) Property taken or detained under this section shall not be repleviable, but shall be deemed to be in the custody of the Attorney General or the Secretary of the Treasury, as the case may be
Sorry, if thats outside your ability to grasp
Posted on 1/20/26 at 5:07 pm to Jugbow
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How would you know if I did or didn’t? FWIW I didn’t as I don’t upvote or downvote anyone. Look at most of my posts they have no upvotes. I don’t mess with that dumb shite
Fair enough. Took a shot in the dark.
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