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Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
In a situation like nursing individuals going up against a unified management have little to no sway. It would not matter if it was Ochsner or LCMC. If management is not pressured by a sizeable entity, the raise for the individual definitely won't happen much less the group.
Meanwhile, Ochsner can routinely have profit margins of close to 10% after expenses . If it is right that management should reward itself, why is it wrong that hourly types not share in it proportionately?
Meanwhile, Ochsner can routinely have profit margins of close to 10% after expenses . If it is right that management should reward itself, why is it wrong that hourly types not share in it proportionately?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If she could drop those biases, today could be a great day for her.
But there would literally be nothing left of her.
Those crazy biases and her hatred of all things white and male make up the entirety of her being.
Without them, she does not exist.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:04 am to KiwiHead
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In a situation like nursing individuals going up against a unified management have little to no sway.
Take your talents elsewhere.
Thats exactly what people do in the corporate world. Why would you choose to work in an antagonistic model where youre having to constantly grind to get a raise?
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:15 am to 4cubbies
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How many lives are in the hands of accountants or software engineers?
If working for a company of any size, most if not nearly all.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
You ignore certain realities. The nurse can work only specific roles and in specific locations like.....hospitals or some physician offices, overall. Management types like hospital CEOs and marketing types can transfer their skills across other industries....and overall their compensation allows them a certain ease of mobility that is not as available
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:25 am to jcaz
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Nursing is a skilled occupation. I have no issues with them becoming unionized given the circumstances.
In theory I don't either, but this is where the anti-CEO parrots contradict themselves.
If nurses are as critical as they say they are to life and death, that's the argument against allowing them to collectively bargain. Because if they strike, all these hypothetical gunshot wound victims we've been discussing will die, won't they?
Seems like it's too deleterious to public safety to allow something like an en mass nursing job walk-off, doesn't it?
Taft-Hartley prohibits federal employees from striking under the same justification and I would opine that I would much rather take my chances with the US department of agriculture on strike than every nurse at my local hospital.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:30 am to 4cubbies
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they set them as low as they can to stay in business.
That is incorrect.
Like all businesses, they set them as low as they can to maximize profits, which is not the same thing.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:33 am to 4cubbies
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Who knew nurses wielded so much power?!
Nurses represent the largest percentage of jobs (and therefore labor expenses) in any hospital (by far). 30% of all hospital employees in 2019 were nurses.
So i don't know about power, but they as a group cost a lot and their collective salaries moves the expense needle quite a bit.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:40 am to KiwiHead
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You ignore certain realities. The nurse can work only specific roles and in specific locations like.....hospitals or some physician offices, overall.
How is that different from a corporate guy?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
Like I said, you ignore certain realities....you sound like Neal Boortz who generally had no clue about the real world and realities.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:06 pm to KiwiHead
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Like I said, you ignore certain realities
You ignore all reality if you think there are more CEO jobs available at any given time than nursing jobs. There's been something like 190,000 nursing vacancies a year since COVID (and still persisting).
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:15 pm to wackatimesthree
I'm kinda of puzzled on the pay part.
The nurses I know are all pulling down 90 grand plus. The only people as a whole making more in hospitals are the doctors.
The nurses I know are all pulling down 90 grand plus. The only people as a whole making more in hospitals are the doctors.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:18 pm to wackatimesthree
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Seems like it's too deleterious to public safety to allow something like an en mass nursing job walk-off, doesn't it?
Agree. Any nursing/hospital CBA should fall under the RLA. Same as railroad and airline workers. So they still get some bargaining power but can’t frick the country over as a critical component of society.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:24 pm to KiwiHead
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Like I said, you ignore certain realities..
I guess nursing is just special and in no way can be compared to any other occupation...
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I guess nursing is just special and in no way can be compared to any other occupation...
How about acting? Every nurse I know is a drama queen.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Thats exactly what people do in the corporate world. Why would you choose to work in an antagonistic model where youre having to constantly grind to get a raise?
So basically, do anything but organize? You were talking about how dumb and replaceable nurses earlier in the thread. Now you’re micromanaging what they’re allowed to do to advocate for themselves.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:30 pm to TDTOM
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How about acting? Every nurse I know is a drama queen.
Birds of a feather…
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:31 pm to KiwiHead
People who join unions are just naive. Unions have no more bargaining power than the individual.
Just because you unionize doesn't guarantee anything. The employer is no more obligated to meet the requests of the union bosses than the individual.
I wonder how many of those folks in unions, and heard the stories about how much the CEO and Admin were making, actaully did homework on how much those "Union Bosses" salaries were.
Just because you unionize doesn't guarantee anything. The employer is no more obligated to meet the requests of the union bosses than the individual.
I wonder how many of those folks in unions, and heard the stories about how much the CEO and Admin were making, actaully did homework on how much those "Union Bosses" salaries were.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:41 pm to 4cubbies
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How many lives are in the hands of accountants or software engineers?
Some people who were on a few 737 MAX flights would like a word.
Well, they would if they were alive.
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