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re: Tranifesto had some Cyrillic in it
Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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They're trying to create a narrative by only looking at certain evidence and ignoring the rest of it (which is much larger).
LOL.
I'm not ignoring anything. Like I typed on another thread and above, I understand that that guy was looney tunes.
I understand that not everyone or even close to everyone with whatever the trendy term for gender dysphoria is now shoots up a school.
But according to the literature, as much as 80% of them think about doing violence to or killing themselves. If that's not a significant statistic to you in this context, you're simply defending a pre-conceived bias for personal reasons. That's not an objective take.
What you guys are ignoring is that there are degrees of mental illness whether we're talking about depression or schizophrenia or gender dysphoria or bipolar disorder.
Some people are affected by any given condition more than others. Most schizophrenics, for example, are not dangerous to others. But some are. Some schizophrenics have enough of a grasp on reality to function in society and others don't.
It's patently absurd to claim, "Well, this didn't have anything to do with gender dysphoria, this guy lost his grip on reality and thought he had cancer from vaping" when the entire point of GD is that people imagine that they are something other than what they are.
EVERYONE with GD has lost their grip on reality. The difference may simply be a matter of degree. One person is only confused about the reality of their own sex while another person might be confused about other aspects of reality.
I don't know that (and neither do you, and this will undoubtedly be another one of these discussion in which one of us will admit it and the other will not) but it's certainly possible. It's also possible that this guy had other mental conditions as well. People with GD have high rates of major depressive disorder as well as GD, why not some other additional mental illness?
We may never know, because of people like yourself are more interested in normalizing something that is very clearly not normal than you are in finding out how to really help these people.
As to the gun discussion, I think you have to be a moron to not at least consider keeping guns away from a population that we know—and this isn't disputed—has suicidal ideation rates as high as 80%.
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Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:26 am to Powerman
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If he has any siblings the police are probably advising their family to get out of town
Why? He is in minnesota, he is a martyr there. They fricking love this kind of stuff. Their Somalian politicians are probably rejoicing in a good ole fashion incestual frickfest as a celebration for the attack on Christians.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:28 am to wackatimesthree
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What you guys are ignoring is that there are degrees of mental illness whether we're talking about depression or schizophrenia or gender dysphoria or bipolar disorder.
Nobody is ignoring that.
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It's patently absurd to claim, "Well, this didn't have anything to do with gender dysphoria, this guy lost his grip on reality and thought he had cancer from vaping" when the entire point of GD is that people imagine that they are something other than what they are.
What you are ignoring is that the severe mental illness predates the GD by some time, which logically means the GD is a symptom of the actual mental illness, and not the other way around (which you seem to be arguing).
Which then removes them from a discussion of GD itself, as GD isn't the illness here, but a symptom of a different illness.
This guy was obsessed with committing a mass shooting since Sandy Hook, almost a decade before the GD emerged, when he was still very young. Someone crazy enough to build their sense of self around mass shooting being crazy enough to think they're trans years later is certainly on brand.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 11:54 am to wackatimesthree
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They took what I was calling Gender Dysphoria out and replaced it with the diagnosis you named. So while what you said is technically true, it's a distinction without a difference:
It’s still called gender dysphoria in the DSM 5. I used gender dysphoric disorder out of habit. yes, they changed it from gender identity disorder to gender dysphoric disorder with a greater emphasis on “dysphoria“ in the DSM-5. I think we’re in much more agreement than maybe either of us realize.
After the DSM – 3R, they did add the requirement for “causes clinically significant distress or impairment”. and later even emphasizing that more with the word “dysphoria” in the nomenclature
I don’t disagree with much of your other points, at least not to the extent where it would need a response.
Have a great day
Posted on 8/28/25 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This guy was obsessed with committing a mass shooting since Sandy Hook, almost a decade before the GD emerged, when he was still very young. Someone crazy enough to build their sense of self around mass shooting being crazy enough to think they're trans years later is certainly on brand.
This cannot be said enough
It is akin to a cancerous tumor that has gone unchecked and spread and caused cancerous tumors in other areas of the body
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 8/28/25 at 12:16 pm to the808bass
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His family should be forced to go into hiding and never heard from again.
Personally, I think his family should be hung next to him...
Posted on 8/28/25 at 12:26 pm to Richleau
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How do the parents not realize this was happening?
I'm 100% sure they did know he was off his rocker. I'm sure a lot of people did but they didn't want to get involved. They chose to ignore warning signs and thesis what it lead to. Again.
Just like all the rest of the loser shooters. None of this happens in a vacuum.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 2:21 pm to Giantkiller
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His parents are clearly mostly responsible for this freak. They should be ostracized and publicly harassed.
Better yet, they should come out publicly and acknowledge their mistakes, and encourage others to watch out for the danger signs.
I haven't followed every post or update, but was he living at home at the time (he's 23, right?) and did the parents know he had guns?
The mayor of Highland Park, whose son shot up the town, signed off on his son buying guns in IL, even though he knew his son had all sorts of mental issues. When confronted, he said it was the government's job to deny him the permits if they thought he was a danger.
So the government should know more about your son's state of mind than you do?
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