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re: Town hall with Bill Cassidy getting gooooood lol
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:41 am to JohnDeere
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:41 am to JohnDeere
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He is kind of a creepy looking motherfricker
As a medical guy he is first rate. He treated a friend of mine through a liver transplant and his wife (now retired) did my wife's mastectomy surgery. Both of them are tremendously gifted docs and compassionate people.
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:49 am to NC_Tigah
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But I have bigger problems with any "education expert" selectively depriving poor and working class kids the choice of educational opportunities my kids enjoyed.
This is decided at state and local levels, not the federal level.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:53 am to NC_Tigah
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Perhaps you don't understand doctor-patient relationships
Maybe not? I've been a patient enough times but I don't know the financial situations of my doctors nor do they know my financial situation.
I guess I'm closest to my OB just because I have to see him so frequently, but he doesn't know much about me outside of my general demeanor, occupation and marital status. And I'm pretty personable... Idk how intimate these relationships are typically.
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I assumed you would at least understand student-teacher relationships though. You'd refer those as "acquaintances"?
I spend very many more hours with my students than doctors spend with patients. The relationship is very different.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:54 am to t00f
quote:Think of it in terms of the antithetical -- the US collegiate system.
Can you expound on this a bit?
Suppose that system was solely based on location of residence.
No other choice allowed.
If you live in New Orleans, you'd attend UNO. You'd not be allowed to attend LSU. If you lived in Lafayette, you'd attend ULaLa. No choice. You'd be required to attend "neighborhood schools" regardless of educational quality, or even availability of preferred major.
Meanwhile wealthy families could move simply move to an LSU neighborhood, or send their kids to any private school.
I'd guess we could agree that collegiate system would suck. Yet that is the exact system we employ in 1° and 2° US education.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:00 am to ShortyRob
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All of these discussions about the town hall disruptions miss the point...The Screamers aren't going to flip supporters and are just going to piss off the people who actually wanted to hear ideas
True. But I think the point is the movement collaborating with the media to create/support the narrative. I mean, I've never seen the media cover a local town hall meeting like that before. It's almost like they were a part of the show.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:11 am to 4cubbies
quote:No. But it probably is individual. Nonetheless your doctor and/or care staff almost certainly know who your employer is, who your insurance carrier is, and (depending on how much you share) much much more. Your doctor is likely also aware of AR, timeliness and accuracy of payment, collections, etc. All of which relate to both you and your carrier. Perhaps you were unaware of that?
The relationship is very different.
E.g., My opposition to obamacare is significantly driven by the exact patient interface you seem to assume Cassidy somehow avoided. From my perspective, yours is a bizarre presumption.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 9:12 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:17 am to NC_Tigah
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No
How can you say that? I see these kids every day. I see my GP a handful of times a year and other doctors once a year if that.
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Nonetheless your doctor and/or care staff almost certainly know who your employer is, who your insurance carrier is, and (depending on how much you share) much much more.
They have access to records I am obligated to provide but I doubt they know any of this off the top of their heads. They certainly don't know who my car insurance is through. I doubt they even know what neighborhood I live in without looking it up.
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My opposition to obamacare is significantly driven by the exact patient interface you seem to assume Cassidy somehow avoided. From my perspective, yours is a bizarre presumption.
You assume that I share your specific concerns. My concern is more for patients than doctors. We have different dogs in this fight.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:18 am to Havoc
quote:i think the crowd was the newsworthy part... most town halls are (were) low key affairs with a crowd full of old people. I know we've had a few in Chalmette with Scalise and Vitter and i get the thing in the mail and never remember to go
I've never seen the media cover a local town hall meeting like that before. It's almost like they were a part of the show.
my issue is with the liberals pretending like Trump is some devil to them a month into his term... let it play out, sheesh. Teachers acting like DeVos is the worst thing ever, acting like the Department of Education has THAT much influence over kids' schooling... some don't understand that the election is over, and their side lost
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 9:21 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:28 am to NC_Tigah
So you think this what is going to happen and the state will lose control and BESE goes away?
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:11 am to 4cubbies
quote:But we don't. They are the same dogs, in the same fight. I'm surprised you'd not recognize that.
My concern is more for patients than doctors. We have different dogs in this fight.
Unless of course you'd argue by corollary that teachers are invariably disconnected from student welfare and the school environment.
In fact there is no disconnect, your perception notwithstanding.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:17 am to NC_Tigah
So you think it would be best for patients if everyone had to privately pay for medical expenses?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:34 am to 4cubbies
quote:I think it would be best for you if you understood the Cassidy proposal.
So you think it would be best for patients if everyone had to privately pay for medical expenses?
The abject failure of obamacare centers on two things (1) Cost, and (2) ROI. For most ACA recipients, a $6500/person deductible amounts to having to privately pay for medical expenses --- Exactly the problem you describe. Unfortunately, the cost of that self-pay plan is very high. It means people are putting off badly needed care.
What Cassidy is proposing is a variety of plans, one being LOW COST high-deductible health insurance coupled with a tax protected HSA.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:38 am to 4cubbies
quote:and just so you're clear, if you think that is Cassidy's plan, and you think it would somehow advance physician remuneration, you have lost your mind.
So you think it would be best for patients if everyone had to privately pay for medical expenses?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:54 am to chalmetteowl
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I've never seen the media cover a local town hall meeting like that before. It's almost like they were a part of the show.
i think the crowd was the newsworthy part... most town halls are (were) low key affairs with a crowd full of old people. I know we've had a few in Chalmette with Scalise and Vitter and i get the thing in the mail and never remember to go
my issue is with the liberals pretending like Trump is some devil to them a month into his term... let it play out, sheesh. Teachers acting like DeVos is the worst thing ever, acting like the Department of Education has THAT much influence over kids' schooling... some don't understand that the election is over, and their side lost
Its about the fight for control, charter school vs standard public school and student placement vs vouchers.
And, add Union control to the mix.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:03 pm to NC_Tigah
He went into detail at a meeting with BR physicians Tuesday night- friendly audience who understand public healthcare financing. He is absolutely focused on low-income patients and access, and his plan actually protects federal dollars from being swept by state government in times of budget crisis (more like a rolling tax credit, not a dollar dump into a state account). States would get a small (2%) cut off the top for public health projects, and would need less admin cost.
IMHO, Obamacare is going to die no matter what. The adults in the room are trying to pass a plan that will actually work, and opposing those adults in favor of spoiled children is going to cause significant harm.
IMHO, Obamacare is going to die no matter what. The adults in the room are trying to pass a plan that will actually work, and opposing those adults in favor of spoiled children is going to cause significant harm.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:11 pm to GetmorewithLes
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As a medical guy he is first rate. He treated a friend of mine through a liver transplant and his wife (now retired) did my wife's mastectomy surgery. Both of them are tremendously gifted docs and compassionate people.
Don't waste your time telling the Progs here that. He is an enemy now. His credentials and successes in life are now going to be considered results of white privilege or some other stupid ism they can throw out to the useful idiots.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:02 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:That's all the game.
His credentials and successes in life are now going to be considered results of white privilege or some other stupid ism they can throw out to the useful idiots.
However when folks jump the shark and claim somehow a career physician understands nothing of medical economics, the believability axis drops through the floor, even for those otherwise inclined harshly against the guy.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 6:19 am to NC_Tigah
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However when folks jump the shark and claim somehow a career physician understands nothing of medical economics, the believability axis drops through the floor, even for those otherwise inclined harshly against the guy.
Progs today are smart enough to know the accusation is all that matters. The MSM will carry the water and the useful idiots will be there to shout them down.
This is where we are today.
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