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Personally against pre-existing conditions, but I would be wiling to compromise. You can get covered for pre-existing conditions if you had health insurance for at least 2 of the previous 5 years.

Republicans think covering pre-existing conditions is charity paid through insurance companies.

They have also conceded defeat on the issue so it is no longer a wedge.

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You don't oppose fraudulent campaigning in the slightest.

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Another brainless post.

Is this straight out fraudulent campaigning? Yes or no.

Do you ever give a straight answer?

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However, we all know that Obamacare was nearly killed and is currently being dismantled anyway.

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Good, let states deal with it...
Before insurance companies took on the mantle many states had sound infrastructure to provide medical assistance for citizens...

You know I get to thinking the right has some sense and then this issue pops up again.

Pre existing conditions are covered in the US...they have been FOR YEARS..,...since at least the 1970 s. I thought y’all knew from birth there ain’t no free lunch? Yet here y’all are conversation going about who is going to pay for pre existing conditions...as if it is open for debate. It’s like asking who is going to pay for shoplifting at WalMart....EERYBODY knows that WalMart SHOPPERS pay for shoplifting.....but somehow y’all seem to think this does not apply to healthcare....it is truly astonishing that so many people, many very successful and obviously not stupid...can be so out of touch with reality on this issue.

I will attempt to explain, once again, something that all of you already know but refuse to accept. IF you pay for your own healthcare costs yourself you are also paying the costs for those who can’t or won’t pay....it’s really just that simple.....it is exactly the same thing as someone walk8ng out of Walmart with a pair of rustler jeans they either can’t or won’t pay for....everybody who DOES pay for rustler jeans makes up the loss....WalMart ain’t making it up out of their end....and neither are healthcare providers.

The difference is that healthcare providers are expected to provide without regard to ability to pay....when they don’t and are exposed they are vilified.....most will provide with no regard to ability to pay because they are healers...it’s what 5hey do....if you doubt this please, for the love of god, explain the HUGE medical debt collection industry.

So....a person has a pre existing condition...let’s say diabetes......they lose their health care for whatever reason.....and can’t or won’t afford a new policy that will cover their condition. In the GOP world, what happens? Because in the real world what happens is that person usually becomes a burden on the paying medical consumer ANYWAY.....they get treatment, they get discounted medication...and those of us who pay our bills are subsidizing that pair of rustler jeans. There ain’t no free lunch.....

So how do you prevent providers from forcing paying customers to subsidize the non paying customer? The most efficient way is to eliminate the number of non paying customers.....and there are a couple of ways to do this....offer them medical insurance they can afford, which will still be subsidized but to a smaller degree....or let them die as their choice has consequences. I know y’all like the latter idea and I feel you....the problem is that as a society we don’t have the stomachs for it...and providers particularly don’t have the stomach for it.....

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Republicans think covering pre-existing conditions is charity paid through insurance companies.

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Actions made under threat are NEVER charity.

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EERYBODY knows that WalMart SHOPPERS pay for shoplifting.....but somehow y’all seem to think this does not apply to healthcare..

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People know this. And they know the ACA helps people shoplift healthcare from healthier and younger “shoppers”.

It’s hilarious to me when proponents tell us the ACA is needed because here are too many free riders...when the ACA drastically made free riding easier than ever before. It made it mandatory for many uninsurable people.

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Just think if this argument was used for slavery. “Slaves aren’t free. We should come up with a new way to enslave them”.

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Incredible false equivalency. Teddy Roosevelt saved capitalism in the United States by trust busting and things like the Pure Food and Drug Act. If you don't get that, you're missing the forest through the trees. I'm advocating for the same in health care. US citizens have voting power, and a rise to populism is inevitable when corporatism rears its ugly head.

Advocating for the Swiss model, which is not a pure free market system, but has far more market forces at work than what we currently have, isn't the same as advocating for socialized medicine. Far from it.