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Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:55 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:55 pm to Korkstand
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People are leaving Detroit
you don't say...why would someone do a thing like that?
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mainly because fewer people live there
it's mainly because nobody pays their fricking bill. See the people who left and are leaving Detroit have jobs and are taking their tax dollars with them. So now you have a population of unemployed losers who are given plenty of assistance and neglect to pay their water bill making it more expensive for the people who do pay their bills
if you want to be outraged on behalf of somebody, be outraged for the people who pay their bill...excuse me...who handle they bidnass
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:59 pm to Korkstand
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And the solution is to make it shittier?
again, who is making it shitty? Answer: the people who want free water
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:06 pm to DelU249
quote:You can afford it, but I guarantee you'd bitch every time you write a $65 check for water. Now imagine if you actually had to sacrifice something to pay your water bill.
oh no, $65 a month?!?!
quote:Except it doesn't really work that way. The incremental cost of producing and delivering clean water is pretty much zero dollars. Almost all of the cost is associated with just keeping the infrastructure functioning. The population is shrinking, so the per capita costs are rising. Costs aren't rising because people aren't paying their bills... people aren't paying their bills because costs are rising.
And it's rising because for the people who do pay, they also have to pay for the losers or else nobody is getting water.
quote:Generalize much? You keep talking as if the people in the photos you posted had their water cut off. Did you ever think that maybe those people are fighting for their neighbors and families? You don't know those people, stop assuming shite.
let's cut the shite, and acknowledge that they just didn't pay for it because they knew they didn't have to and spent the money on other things.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:09 pm to Korkstand
Maybe they'll get motivated to either pay their bills or take their non working asses down to one of the many bodies of water nearby with a bucket.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:10 pm to Korkstand
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You can afford it, but I guarantee you'd bitch every time you write a $65 check for water
not as much as I bitch when I write a check to uncle sam so someone can bitch about writing a $65 check for water.
and anyone can afford it, and if it is too steep...cut back on your water usage.
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You keep talking as if the people in the photos you posted had their water cut off
no I'm well aware that those are the community organizers...and again, shall we post the los angeles times column...big screen tv, x box, everything...but no water. how sad.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:14 pm to Korkstand
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You can afford it, but I guarantee you'd bitch every time you write a $65 check for water. Now imagine if you actually had to sacrifice something to pay your water bill.
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Actually, I have had to sell a bunch of my stuff and cut off all non-essential expenses to keep my water on. K.U.B. didn't let me be delinquent for more than 2 months, let alone several years.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:17 pm to Korkstand
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Water infrastructure is obviously of national importance, so wouldn't it be better if we came together to do what needs to be done, rather than potentially killing people?
Since water is so important, and we all agree about that,why don't these people pay for it?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:18 pm to DelU249
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no I'm well aware that those are the community organizers.
who knows, one might be president some day
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:19 pm to Pinecone Repair
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Since water is so important, and we all agree about that,why don't these people pay for it?
because, despite what some people are reluctant to admit:
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they just didn't pay for it because they knew they didn't have to and spent the money on other things.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:21 pm to Korkstand
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You can afford it, but I guarantee you'd bitch every time you write a $65 check for water. Now imagine if you actually had to sacrifice something to pay your water bill.
The AUDACITY of sacrificing something to pay for clean water which also happens to be ONE OF LIFE'S BASIC frickING NECESSITIES. If someone has a choice between clean water and anything else, I would hope that decision would be pretty goddamn easy. No water = no life
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Generalize much? You keep talking as if the people in the photos you posted had their water cut off. Did you ever think that maybe those people are fighting for their neighbors and families? You don't know those people, stop assuming shite.
Are you really that naive? The problem is that these people don't WANT to pay their water bill, not that they CAN'T. In any event, if at the end of the month all you have is enough money to pay for one expense, then there is nothing that should trump clean drinkable water. It's number one on the list of priorities.
If they don't agree, then they can grab a pail, go down to the giant fricking lake that Detroit sits next to, scoop out a gallon, and head home. Hell, boil it over an open fire if you want. Detroit has plenty of kindling lying around to start one.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:21 pm to DelU249
quote:Why? So you can show how easy it is to find an example of whatever point you want to make? Yeah, some people take advantage of the system, but a whole lot of people genuinely need help.
no I'm well aware that those are the community organizers...and again, shall we post the los angeles times column...big screen tv, x box, everything...but no water. how sad.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:22 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:Congrats on having stuff to sell?
Actually, I have had to sell a bunch of my stuff and cut off all non-essential expenses to keep my water on.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:25 pm to Korkstand
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So you can show how easy it is to find an example of whatever point you want to make
my point is simple and universal...$65 for the most basic necessity...we shouldn't be having this conversation and by the admission of the sewage and water (board??) in Detroit, the problem isn't an inability to pay, it is an unwillingness to pay...as evidenced by the delinquent invoices paid lickity split once the water was shut off
look at the signs "water is a human right" "Turn on the water, tax wal street" they don't give a shite who pays for it so long as it's not them.
you can bitch and moan all you want, but no one is feeling sorry because someone didn't pay a $65 bill...they're not bitching about their electricity being off and I hear it gets really cold in Detroit...they have the money and WILL NOT PAY or they don't have the money because THEY WOULD NOT PAY
either way, frick them
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:25 pm to Korkstand
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So you can show how easy it is to find an example of whatever point you want to make?
Got any examples you can link up of people who genuinely have no way to pay their water bill? Since there's a "whole lot" of them and all.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:26 pm to Korkstand
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Now imagine if you actually had to sacrifice something to pay your water bill.
Why is that anyone else's problem but the individual's? Why are you having to sacrifice something to pay a $65 bill?
If you're having to do that, you've made poor choices prior to writing that check for $65.
Being poor should not be enjoyable. That social class in and of itself is (or at least should be) all the motivation you need to better yourself (or in the least strive to better your kids) and get out of the mess you're in.
This isn't about people's rights to water, money, race, social class...it's about refusal to take advantage of opportunities to better yourself (when you had the chance), your life and your situation so you aren't going without water because you can't pay a $65 water bill.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:27 pm to CptRusty
no shite, im sure the la times wanted someone with a kitchen full of shite, with x boxes, tats, designer nails, up do, big screen and fat as a fricking whale (she can certainly afford to eat)
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:27 pm to dcrews
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Why are you having to sacrifice something to pay a $65 bill
these are the expectations we've reduced ourselves to
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:30 pm to Korkstand
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You can afford it, but I guarantee you'd bitch every time you write a $65 check for water. Now imagine if you actually had to sacrifice something to pay your water bill
Our water bill is over $100 a month and I've never bitched about it. I'm happy to have clean water flow through the pipes in my house. I value it, because it's important. I'd gladly sacrifice something unnecessary for something if I needed to,to cover the cost of water.
Have you never had to put off buying something you wanted because you had a more important financial obligation to meet? I have and it didn't make me bitter it made me responsible.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:33 pm to DelU249
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these are the expectations we've reduced ourselves to
It really is sad. These people aren't stupid. The ignorant ones are the people who genuinely believe 90% of the leechers literally live in a box with one shirt, one pair of pants and no shoes.
Beyond me how you get THAT much government assistance and still can't pay your damn water bill.
Rent, water, electricity. First three bills you take care of before anything else, period.
If those people have cable, entertain expense, new clothes, etc... in their budget, then there is no reason they need to be protesting about having water shut off, period.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:33 pm to Pinecone Repair
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I have and it didn't make me bitter
Right. That comes from being given free stuff for years, then suddenly being asked to pay for it.
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