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re: To all the pro-choice people
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:33 pm to poncho villa
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:33 pm to poncho villa
Yeah, but that's not what you replied to. Welcome to the Internet. 
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:34 pm to OMLandshark
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this child conceived out of pure calamity doesn't deserve to see the light of day.
You may hate how this child was conceived but it doesn't deserve hate as a physical human being itself.
If you met someone and became really good friends with that person and found out some time later that person was conceived through rape, would you still hate that person after you found out about the method of conceivement?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:34 pm to poncho villa
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To be honest the numbers aren't exactly astronomical, 5% was about what I thought it would be at.
Well, that wasn't my point. This point actually goes to your favor, because I'm pretty sure around 1% of abortions are because of rape. The 5% is for each rape, it results in a 1/20 chance of pregnancy. That is what it refers to.
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That's a very very very very small amount compared to the 95% of women that get abortions just because they were careless.
That's 1 in 20. I wouldn't say it's that small. The way you're putting it it sounds like .01%.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:35 pm to dmjones
quote:Not necessarily. We also aren't supposed to put God to the test, which you could argue that possibly letting both persons die while praying for God to save one is testing God. As much as we are not supposed to take life unlawfully, we are also supposed to preserve life to the best of our ability. Not attempting to save a life is just as bad as purposefully taking one. It's a terrible situation but I believe saving the mother at the expense of the child is justified.
But if you look at it from, I'm assuming that you're looking at it from, a Christian standpoint... shouldn't you be against it even if the mothers life is at stake? Because of the will of god and all?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:37 pm to Sentrius
No, I'm just saying I don't necessarily think it deserves the benefit of the doubt over the mother's well being, just like how people say if the mother's life is in danger that abortion should be on the table. I'd actually put a rape baby lower than that.
But of course they can and some have contributed to society. I'd imagine the stats for rape babies to be the very worst though. Foster Kids are more likely to end up in prison than to avoid it, and I imagine a ton of them are rape babies.
But of course they can and some have contributed to society. I'd imagine the stats for rape babies to be the very worst though. Foster Kids are more likely to end up in prison than to avoid it, and I imagine a ton of them are rape babies.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:38 pm to dmjones
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They aren't until they are viable, and able to live outside of the mothers womb, with or without medical intervention.
Same with pulling weeds from aside your drive?
Because I'd have no problem saying, "I was killing weeds", if suddenly called to the phone.
Truthfully, the only reason for any reduction in viability is undue strife to the little critter from outside forces, and certainly not any lessened viability on it's part. That's tantamount to saying by-pass patients could be turned off heart machines, if their wives didn't want to put up with all the shite that's to come. After all he'd only be hanging on due to medical intervention. In fact the young one has a better chance to survive that the older one.
edit: rewrote: After all they're both only hanging on due to medical intervention
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:41 pm to Sentrius
Absolutely nobody has a choice towards their conceivement and its evil to hold it against them. It's for that reason alone that hatred towards rape babies is absolutely fricked up and completely darkens our souls and betrays our good natured character.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:44 pm to FooManChoo
quote:You are 100% entitled to your view. It should not be sole basis for law though.
I think it's immoral to have an abortion for any reason other than to save the life of the mother. It's a moral argument since I view all other reasons for abortion as immoral.
We can each live in accordance with personal belief. Orthodox Catholics can believe condoms are sinful. Others can believe there is nothing wrong with premarital sex. Still others can have their own views of homosexual expression.
Where we should all be able to agree though, is when two viable human lives are in consideration, each should enjoy inherent rights. Human viability begins around 22wks EGA. Elective abortion should be outlawed at that stage.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:44 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm pretty sure around 1% of abortions are because of rape
Well shite you just won my shite for me
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:46 pm to OMLandshark
quote:So you think I'm repugnant because I said that I sympathize with rape victims but don't think abortion is justified and that such an opinion us on par with saying I want to commit racial genocide? I wasn't saying the other person is delusional but I'm starting to think you are.
Well no need to know you personally to know that you're a morally repugnant individual simply from your opinion. You wouldn't say anyone who want to kill every single Jew and black person a stand up guy now would you. Your judgement of rape victims is similar.
quote:It's still an emotional argument you are making.
My refute is "holy fricking shite, this woman has been brutally raped and is pregnant. Of course we should give her an abortion as soon as possible so we can start the recovery process and the fact that this child conceived out of pure calamity doesn't deserve to see the light of day. Let's help out the actual living so we can make her into a highly functional adult and contributing/happy member of society.
I believe the pre born child is alive and therefore worthy of a place in the discussion rather than being ignored completely.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:46 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm just saying I don't necessarily think it deserves the benefit of the doubt over the mother's well being
When we start devaluing innocent human beings because of how they are conceived, we lose a piece of our souls. That's just fricked up to say.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:48 pm to poncho villa
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Well shite you just won my shite for me
My point was you're more likely to be impregnated if you're rapped, which is an insane statistic. Even if you're trying to get pregnant, it's more likely to happen if you're actually rapped.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:50 pm to Sentrius
We'll agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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Where we should all be able to agree though, is when two viable human lives are in consideration, each should enjoy inherent rights. Human viability begins around 22wks EGA. Elective abortion should be outlawed at that stage.
I completely agree, with only a few exceptions.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:59 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:If a majority are in favor of a law, it shouldn't matter if the law is desired because of religious reasons or not. There are all sorts of reasons to be in favor of or opposed to something and religious views are one valid reason for the existence of laws. You could argue that most laws are moral by their nature and that religion is a valid basis for otherwise subjective moral standards.
You are 100% entitled to your view. It should not be sole basis for law though.
We can each live in accordance with personal belief. Orthodox Catholics can believe condoms are sinful. Others can believe there is nothing wrong with premarital sex. Still others can have their own views of homosexual expression.
Where we should all be able to agree though, is when two viable human lives are in consideration, each should enjoy inherent rights. Human viability begins around 22wks EGA. Elective abortion should be outlawed at that stage
I would never force anyone to believe the Bible or that Jesus is the Christ, but I am fine with laws that uphold certain biblical principles, such as penalties for theft and murder. Abortion falls under that category.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:11 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Except that is not the way it works
If a majority are in favor of a law, it shouldn't matter if the law is desired because of religious reasons
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:15 pm to FooManChoo
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If a majority are in favor of a law, it shouldn't matter if the law is desired because of religious reasons or not.
Then you're no better than the Muslims who want Sharia Law.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:26 pm to OMLandshark
quote:A WAG (that's wild arse guess btw).
I provided them. 25,000 a year. frick you.
Even if it was right, which it isn't set against the 600,000 plus done a year just in the US is a crime of such magnitude words fail me in my ability to damn it sufficiently.
The highest percentage I saw in any of the stats that are documented rape was less than 1% the cause.
Never mistake the reason women are killing their unborn children in staggering numbers is for no reason other than convenience.
If they can live with killing their unborn child, go right ahead as the government has decided is legal. But be honest what the choice is. That is something damn few of you can do.
Now if you want to dance with me on this subject little man I suggest you get help, because you're not up to it alone.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:02 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I know how laws are made. My description was meant to communicate an idea. In this case, I was summarizing how if enough people want a law passed and their representatives vote to pass the law, it doesn't matter the underlying worldview as long as it passes the Constitutional sniff test.
Except that is not the way it works
Hell, the Constitution itself was written with the understanding that our fundamental rights come from God and that the government has no authority to infringe upon those rights. A biblical worldview was the basis for many of our original laws.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:07 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Right... Perhaps the content of the laws should be used for distinguishing between the Christian ethic and the Muslim. I know it has become popular to trash all religions and religious beliefs but when it comes to morality, I wouldn't put the atheistic moral standard on too high of a horse as it always boils down to "might makes right".
Then you're no better than the Muslims who want Sharia Law.
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