re: Tim Kaine Suggests He’ll Oppose Ban on Infanticide

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LEGAL question of defining abortion rights.

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Well it kinda is the question here hank. If you kill a person without cause that is clearly murder.You can try to make yourself feel better by calling it something different but it is murder. Last day in the wound heart is beating feeling pain responds to stimuli and dependent on mother for nutrition and shelter. Day 1 outside of the wound heart is beating feeling pain responds to stimuli and dependent on mother for nutrition and shelter.

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Personally, I would not support that regimen and would not choose to live under it. But, again, laws should reflect the views of the persons who live under them. If the people of Vermont think that 34-week abortion is reasonable, that is their right.

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What if Vermont decides to not let women vote? Are you ok with that?

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What if Vermont decides to not let women vote? Are you ok with that?

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Philosophically? If that is what the people of Vermont want, they should have the right to implement that (or any other) regimen.

Personally? I would not support it and would not choose to live under that system.

Legally? They would run into some Constitutional problems.

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Still working on that, eh?

Take your time.

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annnnnnd still dodging. At least you've found something you are good at. Continue embarrassing yourself at will. It brings pleasure to the rest of us

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Gonna responsd to the first part?

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LEGAL question of defining abortion rights.

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Well it kinda is the question here hank. If you kill a person without cause that is clearly murder.You can try to make yourself feel better by calling it something different but it is murder. Last day in the wound heart is beating feeling pain responds to stimuli and dependent on mother for nutrition and shelter. Day 1 outside of the wound heart is beating feeling pain responds to stimuli and dependent on mother for nutrition and shelter.

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Philosophically, "personhood" lies on a spectrum and develops over time. As such, there is little PHILOSOPHICAL difference between the fetus and the post-natal child that you describe.

LEGALLY, our system depends upon establishing bright lines and distinct categories ... rather than acknowledging the reality of a spectrum. "Moment of birth" is as good a bright line as any other.

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Philosophically, "personhood" lies on a spectrum and develops over time. As such, there is little PHILOSOPHICAL difference between the fetus and the post-natal child that you describe.

LEGALLY, our system depends upon establishing bright lines and distinct categories ... rather than acknowledging the reality of a spectrum. "Moment of birth" is as good a bright line as any other.

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I cannot think of a greater evil.


You acknowledge that the child in the wound is a person, yet in the same post argue that it’s ok to kill because the government has to set a line somewhere where it’s ok to murder. Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to kill. Like that makes sense.

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they should have the right to implement that (or any other) regimen.

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One does not always have the rights that one "should have."

For instance, posit a wholly-libertarian State. (Let's call it Hampshire). If Hampshire were to decide to join a larger confederation with other States (some less-libertarian), such confederation would doubtless need to have a Constitution.

In order to obtain the benefits of such confederation, the citizens of Hampshire would have to agree to limits upon their rights ... as such limits might be defined in the Constitution of said confederation.

The result, Hampshire is less-libertarian than its citizens might prefer, but they CHOSE to surrender some libertarian benefits in order to receive OTHER benefits from the confederation (trade, defense, whatever).

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A child is born with a condition incompatible with life outside the womb. One side says that the child should be provided palliative care and allowed to die quietly and comfortably on day one The other side says that the child should be subjected to seven days of extensive and invasive medical procedures, all so that it can die on day seven ... rather than day one.

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This is not how medicine works. Espousing or agreeing with such a statement only objectively proves that the individual in question knows very little about how medicine works.

Conditions incompatible with life outside the womb are simply that.

The issue is whether a healthy, fully formed child during or just before delivery can be intentionally injured using scalpels and forceps in an attempt to kill it and should that attempt fail, if the child can then be denied emergency medical care at the request of the...and I hate to even use the term mother for such a person...but mother.

"Link it, Champ" re: Kasich 2020 DisplacedBuckeye

SDVTiger, here's the link: LINK

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classof79

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Damn, what an alter.

Thanks for linking to where I said it. Now show where I denied saying.

I'll wait.

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dodge

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Nope. That's not it, either.