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TIL Some states allow ex-felons to vote after their sentences are up
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:09 pm
I don't live in a state that allows this but, today I learned that there are states that have restored voting rights to ex-felons. Is this really happening? Can someone explain the logic to me so I can try to understand how/why this has come about?
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:15 pm to Tigear
It is probably better to let non rehabilitated felons vote than prevent rehabilitated felons from voting.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:18 pm to Tigear
So you are saying you should not be able to vote after you have repaid your debt to society? Do you support any avenue of regaining the right to vote?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:18 pm to Tigear
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Can someone explain the logic to me so I can try to understand how/why this has come about?
A political party and/or organization who held power in a given state figured out that felons would vote overwhelmingly in favor of that party/organization’s political preferences.
Simple as that. There is no genuine principled reason. This is the same answer for every other political decision made in this country at every level.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:19 pm to Vrai
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So you are saying you should not be able to vote after you have repaid your debt to society?
Easy to make such a stance seem nonsensical when you leave recidivism rates out of the conversation.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:20 pm to Tigear
The reasoning would be that prison is the punishment that is handed out for a crime and that once a convict has paid their debt to society, they are entitled to rejoin society with the rights afforded all other free persons.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:21 pm to Indefatigable
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Easy to make this stance seem nonsensical when you purposefully leave out recidivism rates
Would seem easy to simply not allow repeated felons to vote.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:22 pm to FooManChoo
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they are entitled to rejoin society with the rights afforded all other free persons.
Entitled by whom or what? There is no such thing as a constitutional right to second chances. Losing the right to vote is part of the punishment.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:23 pm to FooManChoo
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The reasoning would be that prison is the punishment that is handed out for a crime and that once a convict has paid their debt to society, they are entitled to rejoin society with the rights afforded all other free persons.
except, prison is NOT just the punishment. The loss of the right to vote for the rest of your life is ALSO a punishment for a felony. Why are we taking away consequences of felony activity?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:24 pm to Tigear
Texas allows people who were convicted of a felony to vote once their sentence (including any probationary period) is completed. I don't see the problem with it if they did the time.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:24 pm to Dawgfanman
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Would seem easy to simply not allow repeated felons to vote.
Yea the felons who have been convicted twice are not the concern
They already cannot vote and could not vote under the current laws being discussed
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:26 pm to Indefatigable
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A political party and/or organization who held power in a given state figured out that felons would vote overwhelmingly in favor of that party/organization’s political preferences.
Simple as that. There is no genuine principled reason. This is the same answer for every other political decision made in this country at every level.
No one anywhere disputes that felons everywhere overwhelmingly vote for democrats.
I find that rather hilarious myself.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:26 pm to Indefatigable
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Entitled by whom or what? There is no such thing as a constitutional right to second chances. Losing the right to vote is part of the punishment.
Does the constitution prevent rehabilitated convicts from having the right to vote?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:26 pm to notsince98
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Does the constitution prevent rehabilitated convicts from having the right to vote?
Nope. As a result, states and the federal government are free to do what they want in this arena. But that’s totally irrelevant to the comment or my response.
The poster I replied to used the word “entitled”, as in a constitutional entitlement to voting after serving a felony sentence. No such entitlement exists. The similar lack of a corresponding prohibition does not change that.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:27 pm to Tigear
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except, prison is NOT just the punishment. The loss of the right to vote for the rest of your life is ALSO a punishment for a felony. Why are we taking away consequences of felony activity?
Wasn’t that way for much of our history, still isn’t that way in much of our nation
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:44 pm to Tigear
quote:if felons lose the right to vote, why don't they lose all constitutional rights? why aren't they banished from the country. losing the right to vote is completely unconstitutional and stupid.
Can someone explain the logic to me so I can try to understand how/why this has come about?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:46 pm to Vrai
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So you are saying you should not be able to vote after you have repaid your debt to society? Do you support any avenue of regaining the right to vote?
They also lose their right to own a firearm. Maybe we should allow them their second amendment rights as well.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:48 pm to Aristo
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They also lose their right to own a firearm. Maybe we should allow them their second amendment rights as well.
I think non violent felons should not lose their 2nd amendment rights. They didn’t lose the need to protect themselves...
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:51 pm to arcalades
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losing the right to vote is completely unconstitutional
Someone needs to tell SCOTUS then I guess. Because nothing in the constitution makes your statement true.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:52 pm to Dawgfanman
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I think non violent felons should lot lose their 2nd amendment rights. They didn’t lose the need to protect themselves...
I absolutely agree. Hell, some of them may need it more after they get out.
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