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Three more studies show negative vaccine efficacy.

Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:38 pm
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:38 pm
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When will health authorities face up to what the data is telling us?

The last two weeks have brought three new studies finding negative efficacy for two vaccine doses, meaning the vaccinated are more likely to be infected than the unvaccinated.
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Have the experimental gene therapy injections compromised people’s immune systems? If so, might this be a life long side effect?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71474 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:41 pm to
Supposedly if USSC rules feb 8th you’d need at least 2 shots. Insanity
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:47 pm to
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If so, might this be a life long side effect?


There’s no reason to bring that into this discussion.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
11147 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:56 pm to
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Pfizer vaccine effectiveness at 53.8% and Moderna at 65% against Delta after three months. They reported that a third dose of Pfizer got vaccine effectiveness against Omicron back up to 54.6%, at least for a month.


And just like that - up to date means quarterly.

For now, until years of science tells us otherwise.

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With Omicron, the reports of negative efficacy are becoming impossible to ignore
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10311 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:58 pm to
Why are the majority of people in ICU’s with covid the unvaccinated? At least 80%.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:59 pm to
What’s the definition of unvaccinated?
Posted by DreauxB2015
Member since Nov 2015
7726 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:02 pm to
Who told you that ? CNN? MSDNC?

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:05 pm to
Fully vaccinated made up more than 20% of Covid deaths in Louisiana on the current dashboard. So I think tigergirl might just be pulling it out of the rectal repository.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
12812 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:08 pm to
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Why are the majority of people in ICU’s with covid the unvaccinated? At least 80%.


They aren’t. You’re brainwashed.
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
22171 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:17 pm to
Dr Robert Malone…… he knows
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6095 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:24 pm to
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Dr Robert Malone…… he knows
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As the original “inventor” of mRNA and DNA vaccines… I am concerned about how the technology is being developed and implemented.
R Malone MD
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
22171 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:26 pm to
Because he didn’t fall in line, after almost almost thirty years of being the go to guy when a virus breaks out… Now he is a quack…
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17042 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:29 pm to
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When will health authorities face up to what the data is telling us?


Because the data is not saying what that blogger is claiming. As I learned long ago, always go to the source and don't listen to people's "interpretation." So I read the study. Lo and behold, the paper itself addresses the "negative" vaccine efficacy:

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The negative estimates in the final period arguably suggest different behaviour and/or exposure patterns in the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts causing underestimation of the VE. This was likely the result of Omicron spreading rapidly initially through single (super-spreading) events causing many infections among young, vaccinated individuals.


The authors conclude the negative efficacy is an artifact and an "underestimation of vaccine efficacy" (their words).

Below they make mention of a British study which corroborates their study. The British study found that boosting brought the VE back up to about 75%:

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A recent study from England (in preprint) found higher effectiveness against symptomatic Omicron initially after BNT162b2 vaccination followed by a rapid decline in protection, and that VE increased to 75.5% (56.1 to 86.3%) two weeks after booster vaccination using unvaccinated individuals as comparison.



They conclude:

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Our study contributes to emerging evidence that BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 primary vaccine protection against Omicron decreases quickly over time with booster vaccination offering a significant increase in protection. In light of the exponential rise in Omicron cases, these findings highlight the need for massive rollout of vaccinations and booster vaccinations.



There you have it from the horse's mouth. The authors of the study the skeptics cite are not saying what the skeptics claim they're saying. The study authors themselves are saying more people need to get vaxxed and boosted.

(By the way, I am not arguing for or against the boost. I am just pointing out that you should not listen to bloggers without checking the primary source yourself).
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:30 pm to
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arguably suggest different behaviour and/or exposure patterns in the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts


Haha. You don’t understand shite. frick off back to wherever you hang out before you do your typical bullshite drive through.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71474 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:08 pm to
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What’s the definition of unvaccinated?


My takeaway was that they don’t know. And this is supposed to go Monday.

I’ve never watched USSC do this before so I was a bit lost with some of the jargon.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7598 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:14 pm to
Why are they saying we need more vaccines and boosters when Omicron is less deadly than the flu?
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6095 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:23 pm to
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Why are they saying we need more vaccines and boosters when Omicron is less deadly than the flu?
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:25 pm to
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Why are the majority of people in ICU’s with covid the unvaccinated? At least 80%.


Not even close to true...never was
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63055 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:28 pm to
I would say the urgency for more and more frequent boosters speaks directly to the short term effectiveness of the vaccines.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:33 pm to



If the vaccine is effective for about 10 weeks like they say, then totally ineffective this is exactly what you would expect to see.

A balancing of the infection risk.

The vaccine doesn’t work. No one has a damaged immune system. Stop wishcasting harm on the vaccinated. They aren’t your enemy. The enemy are the politicians and pharma trying to force this on everyone.
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