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re: Thoughts on what is taught in Louisiana Public Schools Re: World Religions

Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:03 pm to
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:03 pm to
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Except the fact that Israel, a Jewish nation, is one of our biggest allies.


That's modern America. Jews have been persecuted heavily since before the 1st Crusade.

Honestly, what the Nazi party did to Jews was in (in horrific fashion) a culmination of centuries of persecution against them.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:16 pm to
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This was definitely the place to seek advice, as opposed to your PLC or other Social Studies educators. Good job.


What the hell do you think those people will have to say? Those types of people wrote the drivel in the OP.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:21 pm to
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My point is that they don't don't worship the same God due to the differing beliefs about His attributes.


Well whole books have been written about this and its various nuances. Karen Armstrong has one of the better ones about this subject.
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:43 pm to
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At any rate, my point in posting this was to hear what people thought about the summaries that are clearly slanted in favor of one religion. If students hear nothing else, they will leave this activity believing that Christians would like to suppress and/or oppress people of other religions while Muslims would simply tip their hat and say welcome brothers. This is clearly not the case.


bullshite, you just wanted to rile up this echo chamber. You aren't actually looking for a good-intentioned, well thought out debate on the matter. If you were you wouldn't be here.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:44 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:44 pm to
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bullshite, you just wanted to rile up this echo chamber.

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fouldeliverer


Looks like he/she got you instead.
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:46 pm to
I'm constantly triggered. It's part of being a liberal snowflake.
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:52 pm to
Where is the part where Christians killed Jews during the Spanish inquisition? Eastern European christians routinely killed Jewish people and gave them up
To the Cossacks and Nazis? Conversely, dutch Christians protected Jews. Maybe if we respected each other and stopped trying to convert others.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:03 pm to
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Where is the part where Christians killed Jews during the Spanish inquisition? Eastern European christians routinely killed Jewish people and gave them up
To the Cossacks and Nazis? Conversely, dutch Christians protected Jews. Maybe if we respected each other and stopped trying to convert others.




Anti-Semitism has a long, rich history in Europe. I don't know why anyone would pretend any differently. Even Bernard Lewis, of all people, argues that Europeans exported their version of Anti-Semitism to the Arab and Islamic world, as he notes here. LINK
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:13 pm to
Read a couple books by Bernard Lewis at LSU. Good reads though disagreed with some of the assertions.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:26 pm to
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Jews and Christians are specifically protected in the Quran as Peoples of the Book, reinforcing their spiritual connection to Islam by virtue of having been given revelations from God. The Islamic legal tradition has upheld the rights of Jews and Christians to maintain their beliefs and practices within their communities in Islamic lands, and this policy of tolerance has generally been upheld.
they are doing some mental gymnastics to say this. because Islam has NO, ZERO, NADA organization, they are picking the VERY FEW Imams who have actually said this and conveniently omitting the large number of Imams who encourage jihad against other faiths.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14657 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:39 pm to
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While many Christians in the Middle East converted to Islam during and after the seventh century,


Just up and converted, huh?

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Your thought?


Teach the truth, as long as you know it yourself. I'm not a teacher, so I have no idea what the impact of repercussions of that could be, but I know hat in 20 years, your students won't be at a reunion, saying to each other, "Remember Mr. jwall3? That dipshit didn't even mention that Muslims have been murdering and conquering since the religion's inception."
Posted by TheIrishFro
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:46 pm to
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Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:16 pm to
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Relationships between Jewish and Christian communities have often been difficult, particularly in Christian Europe. There, Jewish communities were often subject to discrimination and violence at the hands of Christians
this is true. you can even add that jews had a rocky time in the colonies at times too. however, countless christians have served in missional capacities to the jews and everyone else in the world. so - some christians have been discriminatory towards the jews. others ministered to them

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Jews and Christians are specifically protected in the Quran as Peoples of the Book
muslims are also told to convert them at the edge of the sword if need be. the article conveniently left that out. Quran 2:191-193, 8:12, 9:111, 61:4, Sahih Muslim 1:33

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this policy of tolerance has generally been upheld.
i don't know what they mean by "generally" but, that term is contentious at least and provocative at most.

otherwise, i agree with the rest of what you quoted.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:17 pm to
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I suppose you can try and equate ISIS and the caliphate to the Inquisition.
just for the sake of discussion, i don't think this is a good comparison
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:24 pm to
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they all claim the same god
again for the sake of discussion, the case can be made that yhwh and allah are not the same. the average muslim is not familiar with several aspects of divine ontology. you can probably throw in most imams too.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 9:32 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:25 pm to
First of all, I'll agree there appears to be a dishonest tilt in that text.

Second, in theory I support world religions courses in HS and college. Unfortunately they can rarely be taught objectively.

Objective evaluation of religion and it's history is the most efficient and effective path to our species moving on from mysticism. Study on world religions, their history and their texts is more effective at producing non-belief than anything else.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:53 pm to
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there is more overlap between Islam and Judaism than there is Judaism and Christianity in its direct pattern of practice.
not sure i agree with this characterization. the muslim cannot "know" allah because he is completely transcendent. he just has to hope that he's done enough good things in his life to appease allah. jews do not see yhwh that way. they can have a personal relationship with God because he is also immanent. this illustrates the ontological distinction between the two.

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Islam is a syncretic version Judaism with pre-Islamic Arab paganism
there needs to be some clarification here. the paganism you refer to (i'm assuming the "evil eye") is more cultural superstition (sometimes frowned upon) than formal islamic theology.

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combined with aspects of Christianity
there is basically nothing of christianity in islamic theology. the "christians" that mohammed met with were less than orthodox.

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Islam very closely resembles Judaism
i don't find this statement to be an accurate characterization for multiple reasons

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the Christ story in the Qu'ran
they know isa-al-masih. however, he is a dead prophet, lower than mohammed, whose teachings are respected.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:56 pm to
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When your belief system is built around fairy tales
you probably could use some education on this matter. i invite you to examine habermas' minimal facts presentation
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:02 pm to
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As far as this particular statement, it's historical fact
that is not in question. the degree to which this is true is relevant.

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"People of the Book" were second-class citizens but were protected legally.
sometimes protected legally

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many Jews prospered and even held high government positions
some jews prospered...potentially even few jews. you're being overgenerous

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Christians weren't required to convert
some christians weren't

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it's your job to provide that context
yeah, the "context" that's missing is the part that is not politically correct
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