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re: Thoughts on what is taught in Louisiana Public Schools Re: World Religions
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:03 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:03 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Except the fact that Israel, a Jewish nation, is one of our biggest allies.
That's modern America. Jews have been persecuted heavily since before the 1st Crusade.
Honestly, what the Nazi party did to Jews was in (in horrific fashion) a culmination of centuries of persecution against them.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:16 pm to fouldeliverer
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This was definitely the place to seek advice, as opposed to your PLC or other Social Studies educators. Good job.
What the hell do you think those people will have to say? Those types of people wrote the drivel in the OP.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:21 pm to FooManChoo
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My point is that they don't don't worship the same God due to the differing beliefs about His attributes.
Well whole books have been written about this and its various nuances. Karen Armstrong has one of the better ones about this subject.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:43 pm to jwall3
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At any rate, my point in posting this was to hear what people thought about the summaries that are clearly slanted in favor of one religion. If students hear nothing else, they will leave this activity believing that Christians would like to suppress and/or oppress people of other religions while Muslims would simply tip their hat and say welcome brothers. This is clearly not the case.
bullshite, you just wanted to rile up this echo chamber. You aren't actually looking for a good-intentioned, well thought out debate on the matter. If you were you wouldn't be here.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:44 pm to fouldeliverer
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bullshite, you just wanted to rile up this echo chamber.
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fouldeliverer
Looks like he/she got you instead.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I'm constantly triggered. It's part of being a liberal snowflake.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:52 pm to fouldeliverer
Where is the part where Christians killed Jews during the Spanish inquisition? Eastern European christians routinely killed Jewish people and gave them up
To the Cossacks and Nazis? Conversely, dutch Christians protected Jews. Maybe if we respected each other and stopped trying to convert others.
To the Cossacks and Nazis? Conversely, dutch Christians protected Jews. Maybe if we respected each other and stopped trying to convert others.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:03 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Where is the part where Christians killed Jews during the Spanish inquisition? Eastern European christians routinely killed Jewish people and gave them up
To the Cossacks and Nazis? Conversely, dutch Christians protected Jews. Maybe if we respected each other and stopped trying to convert others.
Anti-Semitism has a long, rich history in Europe. I don't know why anyone would pretend any differently. Even Bernard Lewis, of all people, argues that Europeans exported their version of Anti-Semitism to the Arab and Islamic world, as he notes here. LINK
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:13 pm to crazy4lsu
Read a couple books by Bernard Lewis at LSU. Good reads though disagreed with some of the assertions.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:26 pm to jwall3
quote:they are doing some mental gymnastics to say this. because Islam has NO, ZERO, NADA organization, they are picking the VERY FEW Imams who have actually said this and conveniently omitting the large number of Imams who encourage jihad against other faiths.
Jews and Christians are specifically protected in the Quran as Peoples of the Book, reinforcing their spiritual connection to Islam by virtue of having been given revelations from God. The Islamic legal tradition has upheld the rights of Jews and Christians to maintain their beliefs and practices within their communities in Islamic lands, and this policy of tolerance has generally been upheld.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:39 pm to jwall3
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While many Christians in the Middle East converted to Islam during and after the seventh century,
Just up and converted, huh?
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Your thought?
Teach the truth, as long as you know it yourself. I'm not a teacher, so I have no idea what the impact of repercussions of that could be, but I know hat in 20 years, your students won't be at a reunion, saying to each other, "Remember Mr. jwall3? That dipshit didn't even mention that Muslims have been murdering and conquering since the religion's inception."
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:46 pm to jwall3
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This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 3:38 am
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:16 pm to jwall3
quote:this is true. you can even add that jews had a rocky time in the colonies at times too. however, countless christians have served in missional capacities to the jews and everyone else in the world. so - some christians have been discriminatory towards the jews. others ministered to them
Relationships between Jewish and Christian communities have often been difficult, particularly in Christian Europe. There, Jewish communities were often subject to discrimination and violence at the hands of Christians
quote:muslims are also told to convert them at the edge of the sword if need be. the article conveniently left that out. Quran 2:191-193, 8:12, 9:111, 61:4, Sahih Muslim 1:33
Jews and Christians are specifically protected in the Quran as Peoples of the Book
quote:i don't know what they mean by "generally" but, that term is contentious at least and provocative at most.
this policy of tolerance has generally been upheld.
otherwise, i agree with the rest of what you quoted.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:17 pm to Montezuma
quote:just for the sake of discussion, i don't think this is a good comparison
I suppose you can try and equate ISIS and the caliphate to the Inquisition.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:24 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:again for the sake of discussion, the case can be made that yhwh and allah are not the same. the average muslim is not familiar with several aspects of divine ontology. you can probably throw in most imams too.
they all claim the same god
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:25 pm to jwall3
First of all, I'll agree there appears to be a dishonest tilt in that text.
Second, in theory I support world religions courses in HS and college. Unfortunately they can rarely be taught objectively.
Objective evaluation of religion and it's history is the most efficient and effective path to our species moving on from mysticism. Study on world religions, their history and their texts is more effective at producing non-belief than anything else.
Second, in theory I support world religions courses in HS and college. Unfortunately they can rarely be taught objectively.
Objective evaluation of religion and it's history is the most efficient and effective path to our species moving on from mysticism. Study on world religions, their history and their texts is more effective at producing non-belief than anything else.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:53 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:not sure i agree with this characterization. the muslim cannot "know" allah because he is completely transcendent. he just has to hope that he's done enough good things in his life to appease allah. jews do not see yhwh that way. they can have a personal relationship with God because he is also immanent. this illustrates the ontological distinction between the two.
there is more overlap between Islam and Judaism than there is Judaism and Christianity in its direct pattern of practice.
quote:there needs to be some clarification here. the paganism you refer to (i'm assuming the "evil eye") is more cultural superstition (sometimes frowned upon) than formal islamic theology.
Islam is a syncretic version Judaism with pre-Islamic Arab paganism
quote:there is basically nothing of christianity in islamic theology. the "christians" that mohammed met with were less than orthodox.
combined with aspects of Christianity
quote:i don't find this statement to be an accurate characterization for multiple reasons
Islam very closely resembles Judaism
quote:they know isa-al-masih. however, he is a dead prophet, lower than mohammed, whose teachings are respected.
the Christ story in the Qu'ran
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:56 pm to sugar71
quote:you probably could use some education on this matter. i invite you to examine habermas' minimal facts presentation
When your belief system is built around fairy tales
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:02 pm to fouldeliverer
quote:that is not in question. the degree to which this is true is relevant.
As far as this particular statement, it's historical fact
quote:sometimes protected legally
"People of the Book" were second-class citizens but were protected legally.
quote:some jews prospered...potentially even few jews. you're being overgenerous
many Jews prospered and even held high government positions
quote:some christians weren't
Christians weren't required to convert
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it's your job to provide that context
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