re: Thoughts on "Christian Right"?

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The 1950s seems to hold the idea of what the majority of the current Christian Right reminisce about. Let's say our peak era was in the 1950s-90s that Christian Right would use as a time to take goods from and drop some really bad evils, like abortion, etc, that started us down the current negative road post 2k.

Was that time frame an anti-Constitional Republic Protestant Theocracy period in our nation?

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I see your point. No, that was a good time, except for the Civil Rights and Voting Rights issues that were unresolved during the 1950s in the USA. We have largely solved those problems, so, a universal return to those 1950s values would be a good thing for the Christian Right and all Americans to pursue and uphold.

But, back then, during those awful struggles and persecutions - Did you forget that many of the community leaders that promoted the old "Jim Crow" South were themselves community leaders who would call themselves the "Christian Right"? Let's not forget that. That is a very important point to remember.

Those same Christian Right leaders of the 1940s and 1950s who were in favor of discrimination against Blacks FORGOT what the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence says about that. How could they forget what the USA's founding documents says about that?

Seems to me they forgot because they followed their own judgment and opinion to govern their view of what our Society of Ordered Liberty should aspire to. They didn't want the Values of the Founders and Framers to rule, they wanted their own values to rule. I contend that THIS policy position is similar to a Theocracy, or has characteristics of a Theocracy.

So, our Society of Ordered Liberty (as Mark Levin describes it) back in the 1940s and 1950s was definitely imperfect, but, in many ways, as you point out, was much better than what we have today.

We've done better in some ways and much worse in other ways, haven't we? I wish we could get it right.

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the 50s as being peak then it started trickling away in the following decades but the negatives didn't truly start showing themselves to the masses like we are seeing today until post-2k

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My brain goes to LBJ creating a welfare system. That started the generational poverty class we get to deal with today. I think that's one of the biggest differences from the 50s to today. And that's where most of (what i would call) the "anti-christian" problems come from. Violence, abortion, suicide.

I wasnt around back then, but i would bet that LBJ proclaimed (and maybe even believed) that he was doing the Christian thing by helping out the poor.

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We've done better in some ways and much worse in other ways, haven't we? I wish we could get it right.

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We definitely agree here and what I'm trying to convey without getting to indepth about it.

That 50s-90s timeframe has great moments to try to grab from and really bads to leave behind. Let's start their, but imo the Christian moral compass foundation this nation always has in the background isn't the problem. Obviously we need to do better at shaming our the charlatans, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

True. And I've been clear their are goods to keep and bads to leave behind.

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Didn't you see the recent report that said 50% of self-identified Chritians don't even vote? How can they be the source of all your problems? Bigot much?

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I dont believe that. Definitely not in small towns in the south. Most of the polling places are at the local churches. The old people get out and vote. In my county, 80% of 80 year olds vote, 70% of 70 year olds vote, 60% of 60 year olds vote, and the trend holds true all the way through 20% of 20 year olds.

There is absolutely a large block of voters that go to church on Sunday, watch fox news every night, and vote in every election.

there is no Christian Left.

The traditional beliefs traditional institutions traditional values that you may label as Christian right actually were just traditional conservative values in this country

By putting different labels on them it may attract simpler thinkers that are attracted to the thinking and it may discourage people who think the way that are uncomfortable with the label

But those people are pussies both groups of them.Also they're ignorant of history . As a nation we have not been perfect .but we have tried to strive toward the ideal and we keep trying
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I respect what the Founding Fathers did in establishing this nation I appreciate what further generations of Americans did to give us the country that we are blessed with and I think the values that they held dear are still important today and I will use every power that is in my right as an American citizen who also is a Christian and that can call on the power of God when my own power fails me

And I will defend and uphold what these patriots that came before me believed in and shed blood for

Seems to me that you leftists are pushing the idea that the Christian Right is bad for Republicans.

I wonder what it would mean to Democrats if Christians were pushed away from the Republican Party?

Nice try.

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but imo the Christian moral compass foundation this nation always has in the background isn't the problem

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Yes, I agree that there is such a thing as "Judeo-Christian Values" that benefit the USA when those values are part of our Society of Ordered Liberty. But, keep in mind that some will offer good arguments that the USA was NOT founded on "Judeo-Christian Values". I can accept their position for the sake of argument but at the same time make a convincing case that the Founders and Framers wanted our country and our Society of Ordered Liberty to embrace those very values. I contend that the Founders and Framers understood that these J-C Values would help our Society of Ordered Liberty evolve over time in the correct direction, even though they bequeathed to us NOT a Judeo-Christian Theocracy, but, rather a secular Constitutional Republic.

Subtle difference between Theocracy and Constitutional Republic that embraces the J-C values, so, sometimes some people get conflate the two and get them mixed up when they form their policy opinions and positions. i.e. Yes, we would prefer that we have a nation of church-goers but, we won't pass state or federal laws that Mandate church attendence.