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re: Those who served - would you say the US military is still the best in the world?
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:03 am to Flats
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:03 am to Flats
technologically superior for sure.
however, I think in a protracted land war, our military would crumble like a house of cards due to the cultural erosion that the left has been pushing down our throats since the beginning of the Obama era (before that really, but that's when it got blatantly obvious).
no idea what percentage, but anecdotally from what I've seen for the last few years (say ten years, with a couple joint deployments), a large percentage of the military now is out of shape, lazy, entitled, and see military service as little more than welfare.
our three and four star leaders have utterly failed us for over a decade.
however, I think in a protracted land war, our military would crumble like a house of cards due to the cultural erosion that the left has been pushing down our throats since the beginning of the Obama era (before that really, but that's when it got blatantly obvious).
no idea what percentage, but anecdotally from what I've seen for the last few years (say ten years, with a couple joint deployments), a large percentage of the military now is out of shape, lazy, entitled, and see military service as little more than welfare.
our three and four star leaders have utterly failed us for over a decade.
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:03 am to Yaboylsu63
As a person who served.....
...I do not possess the ability or information to assess standing Armies.
...I do not possess the ability or information to assess standing Armies.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:04 am to Yaboylsu63
I think we have capabilities like no other country but if you ask. “ if we relied on a draft” I’d say we are screwed.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:05 am to Sam Quint
quote:fify
our three and four star leaders have utterly failed us for over several decades.
Johnson cut their nuts out. It's been give and take since then.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:05 am to Yaboylsu63
We are so far ahead of the rest of the world that it would not even be close IF we executed with winning in mind rather than nation building in mind...
Not saying it would be easy by a long shot but where I think we lack is our society is soft and does not possess the will or determination to do what is necessary to win an all out World War...
Not saying it would be easy by a long shot but where I think we lack is our society is soft and does not possess the will or determination to do what is necessary to win an all out World War...
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:09 am to AgSGT
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It will be weird and a tough adjustment but the ground pounders are going to have to accept the fact that for some careers in the military, especially in cyber, folks are going to be coming in as majors or higher straight out of college.
I don't think it's the enlisted that would have an issue as much as the other company grade officers who have to work their way up to O-4 when they have something like an engineering degree. Ground pounders don't care that the doc they just saw is a major at 23 and their interaction with some computer wonk would be close to nil.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:09 am to Swampcat
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served. It’s not our military I am concerned about it’s our leaders and how that impacts our military. Just one veterans personal opinion.
I'm former Navy and you're 100% correct. Our weapons, tanks, ships ect...and our technology is still way ahead of any of other military but our leaders currently could not lead you out of a room with only 1 door. When SECNAV said his biggest priority was climate change I knew we were screwed. The only thing I can hope for is that when the s*it hits the fan that senior enlisted actually makes the call instead of brainwashed officers like when I was serving.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:10 am to Redbone
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Johnson cut their nuts out. It's been give and take since then.
you're right, but at least before the the last 10-15 years, there were some good ones in there who stood up to congress and whatever the social narrative of the day was.
now, they are ALL politicians suckling at the teat.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:11 am to AgSGT
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I honestly don't know if that is the focus under this administration.
Woke is the focus under this administration.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:12 am to Flats
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Ground pounders don't care that the doc they just saw is a major at 23 and their interaction with some computer wonk would be close to nil.
I was a tanker (not a ground pounder) but small unit combat arms.
Didn't give a shite when the officers did, really. They came and went and all had their little quirks. You could go a long time in an operational environment and never see the O-4s and O-5s.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:15 am to El Segundo Guy
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Didn't give a shite when the officers did, really. They came and went and all had their little quirks. You could go a long time in an operational environment and never see the O-4s and O-5s.
Thankfully with my job I didn't have much interaction with officers, for the most part it was just us Enlisted folks and Warrants being an engineer
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:16 am to El Segundo Guy
Also, there are band nerds going straight to a special band assignment that pin E-6 the day they graduate Basic. Who cares.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:16 am to Yaboylsu63
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US military is still the best in the world?
Compared to other countries, yes. The best it’s been, no.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:17 am to Yaboylsu63
It has to be.
Look at our spending compared to anyone else.
Look at our spending compared to anyone else.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:18 am to AgSGT
Engineers were cool. You live very close to where I was born and raised.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:21 am to GeauxtigersMs36
We would definitely be screwed if we had to resort to a draft with our population the way it is today. Another concern I have is that right now, our biggest advantage over China is our experience on the battlefield. Don't quote me on this, but if I remember correctly they have less than 100 military members with actual combat experience. I'm interested to watch what happens with China and Russia as it relates to Ukraine because part of me is concerned that China would join forces with Russia to fight in Ukraine as kind of a practice run to get combat experience prior to invading Taiwan.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:21 am to El Segundo Guy
Use the Afghanistan withdrawal to describe the effectiveness
clear mission, check
time for planning, check
unlimited resources, check
visible reporting of progress, check
All govt. department involvement, check
results, biggest cluster f.ck in military history.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:21 am to GnashRebel
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Yeah our equipment and training is so much better and we have so much more of it than anyone else
It's not even funny how much of a gap the US has in terms of equipment and technology compared to Russia or China.
Keep in mind, human beings still have to operate that equipment and weapons systems. When I enlisted in the late 1990s we were supposed to have had stress cards but never saw them. Friends of mine still serving in any capacity says the quality has gone down. To quote a friend of mine "today's soldiers are trash".
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:23 am to El Segundo Guy
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Didn't give a shite when the officers did, really. They came and went and all had their little quirks. You could go a long time in an operational environment and never see the O-4s and O-5s.
as it should be. however, these days little Johnny gets his feelings hurt by his mean corporal, immediately files an IG complaint claiming hazing, and suddenly you've got officers crawling up your arse, and other officers crawling up those officers asses. that's what i'm referring to when i say that the military has been culturally eroded. the victim mentality has taken hold all the way down to rifleman #4 in the last fireteam on the end of the line. and there is an entire political/military infrastructure in place (your friendly neighborhood political commissar i mean equal opportunity rep) standing by to validate little Johnny's complaint.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:23 am to RollTide4Ever
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Israel's more efficient.
Americans have a really weird view of Israel's military that does not really fit with reality.
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