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Posted on 1/16/18 at 5:00 pm to GeorgePaton
There should be no question they can be charged with Obstruction of justice, likely conspiracy, harboring fugitives, and any number of other charges.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 5:17 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Immigration is NOT a states' rights issue. Constitution gives Congress the sole authority to create uniform immigration laws for the US.
immigration is federal, its not state officials job to do federal immigration policy enforcement. its that simple
Posted on 1/16/18 at 5:20 pm to kingbob
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His is heading to a major state/local v. federal constitutional crisis.
I’m honestly not sure what side should win.
You don't know which side should win? Let's go with the side that should be/needs to be enforcing federal immigration laws. I can't understand why any American that loves this country would want or desire unfettered illegal immigration that for the most part drags our country's living standards down. Most of the illegals in the US over 18 years of age don't have a high school education and don't speak English. Those two items are pretty important if you want to assimilate into American culture.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 5:46 pm to Bass Tiger
The problem is this issue is bigger than immigration. We are talking about the federal government compelling state and local officials to uphold federal law. There is a lot of precedent against that practice. This has the potential to bleed over into all kinds of messes most small government folks would never want the federal government involved in.
Trust me, this issue is not as cut and dry as it may seem. Yes, the federal government is empowered under Article I Section 8 to make a uniform rule of naturalization and to enforce immigration laws. However, the federal government's ability to deputize local and state officials is extremely limited. Remember, states are also sovereign, and local governments are typically seen as divisions of state authority.
This is far bigger than just immigration, which is already a big enough issue on its own.
Trust me, this issue is not as cut and dry as it may seem. Yes, the federal government is empowered under Article I Section 8 to make a uniform rule of naturalization and to enforce immigration laws. However, the federal government's ability to deputize local and state officials is extremely limited. Remember, states are also sovereign, and local governments are typically seen as divisions of state authority.
This is far bigger than just immigration, which is already a big enough issue on its own.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 5:55 pm to kingbob
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The problem is this issue is bigger than immigration. We are talking about the federal government compelling state and local officials to uphold federal law. There is a lot of precedent against that practice. This has the potential to bleed over into all kinds of messes most small government folks would never want the federal government involved in.
Trust me, this issue is not as cut and dry as it may seem. Yes, the federal government is empowered under Article I Section 8 to make a uniform rule of naturalization and to enforce immigration laws. However, the federal government's ability to deputize local and state officials is extremely limited. Remember, states are also sovereign, and local governments are typically seen as divisions of state authority.
This is far bigger than just immigration, which is already a big enough issue on its own.
I think some politicians better figure this shite out and fast. We did the amnesty BS when Reagan was POTUS and that was supposed to be it and here we are 35 years later with a bigger problem. Hell, make CA the designated sanctuary state and get as many illegals as possible living out there in that shithole and then they can lobby for secession from the USA and become the country of Cornholio.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 6:08 pm to starsandstripes
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It's not a states rights issue.
States are under no obligation to act as federal agents enforcing federal law.
Forcing them to do so is the definition of a states rights issue.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 6:09 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Immigration is NOT a states' rights issue. Constitution gives Congress the sole authority to create uniform immigration laws for the US.
So why are states being forced to act as federal law enforcement?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 6:11 pm to bamarep
Send their arse to the lock up.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 6:15 pm to NYNolaguy1
Border security and immigration control is one aspect of the federal government's primary duties.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 6:26 pm to motionmagic
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Border security and immigration control is one aspect of the federal government's primary duties.
Absolutely.
Not the states.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So why are states being forced to act as federal law enforcement?
So the feds asking local law enforcement to comply with an ICE detainer on someone the local PD already arrested on other charges is forcing them to act as federal LE?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:14 pm to Tiger Prawn
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So the feds asking local law enforcement to comply with an ICE detainer on someone the local PD already arrested on other charges is forcing them to act as federal LE?
If local law enforcement has no legal basis to hold someone, but continues to hold them on the basis of federal law, then yes they are acting as federal LE.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:40 pm to starsandstripes
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Attorneys should be disbarred that advocate for illegal immigrants - they are actively working against the law to thwart execution of the laws as written. Sanctuary officials should be held personally liable for all costs as well, since they are operating outside of their duties of the offices they hold.
We should start with the illegal immigrants that are attorneys. lol
Tucker Carlson debates lawyer Cesar Vargas on immigration (1-15-18)
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:44 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Immigration is NOT a states' rights issue. Constitution gives Congress the sole authority to create uniform immigration laws for the US
If immigration is the sole jurisdiction of Congress - that only furthers the argument that states and local LE cant be made responsible for enforcement.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:48 pm to bamarep
Make em' lawyer up, and begin the process of taking this issue to the SC. Force the SC to ignore the Law that gives the Feds the legal authority to regulate Immigration, and explain why (if they do).
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:48 pm to bamarep
Posted on 1/16/18 at 9:29 pm to bamarep
New Jersey is creating a new state agency to facilitate illegals fight against deportation and arrests by ICE./
Posted on 1/16/18 at 9:37 pm to kingbob
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This is far bigger than just immigration, which is already a big enough issue on its own.
This is about obstruction of justice by local and state officials in jurisdictional federal power. Working together of local, state and Feds has been the norm through most of the 20th century with the exception of a couple of hiccups. None have risen to the level of harm this has brought to our nation.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 10:08 pm to larry289
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Working together of local, state and Feds has been the norm through most of the 20th century
1964 and Mississippi Burning come to mind, back when the Democrats were the good (or bad) guys, depending on who you spoke with.
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