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Sid E Walker
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Thermometers are racist

Emory University researchers have found that the use of temporal artery (forehead) thermometers, which measure temperature through the skin using infrared technology, do not detect fevers as accurately as oral thermometers in hospitalized patients who are Black. Missed fevers could lead to delays in diagnosis, delays in antibiotics, and possibly even an increased death rate in Black patients, according to the researchers.

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teke184
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Infrared thermometers are heavily unreliable regardless of race IMHO.


CabtainStabbin
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An insane % of your racial population is obese, diabetic, addicted to something, or just full of bullet holes.

But ya, the thermometers, that's what hurting black people's health.


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TheFolker
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They should try rectal thermometers instead.


themunch
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Thick skinned?


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teke184
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I’m sure the DL brothas would be fine with that.


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dgnx6
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Why are fevers being detected less in Black patients when using temporal thermometers? Bhavani and colleagues suggest skin emissivity (a property potentially related to skin pigmentation) could play a role in inaccurate temperature readings. Alternatively, systematic sub-optimal use of the temporal thermometer (e.g., not scanning the forehead sufficiently) could contribute to the inaccuracy.

According to the researchers, the temporal artery thermometer used in this study has been evaluated in more than 100 clinical studies, but there have been no robust evaluations of the accuracy of this technology by race prior to its widespread adoption.

There were study limitations noted including: this was a retrospective analysis, there was an inability to evaluate temperature differences in Asian and Hispanic patients due to small sample sizes and there may have been potential selection bias of patients with paired measurements.

The research was funded by a grant from the National Institutes of Health and the National Institute of General Medical Sciences # K23GM144867.



So basically they found nothing?
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teke184
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Probably the same studies about how cameras are racist for not being able to detect black faces to be highlighted.


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luvdoc
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OP is histrionic. This press release from Emory makes no claim of racism.

Someone set out to answer a reasonable question, whether skin pigment can interfere with accurate temperature measurements. They found it did do so.

For each patient, the first pair of oral and temporal temperatures measured within one hour of each other were recorded within the first day of hospitalization. The researchers found a 26 percent lower odds of detecting fevers in Black patients using temporal compared to oral thermometers. 

However. . .

The researchers note that although the absolute difference between oral and temporal temperatures was small, this discrepancy combined with commonly used fever cut-offs can lead to fevers going undetected in many Black patients.

So the difference was "small", but "can" result in "many" errors for dark-skinned people

Okay, so surely the next paragraph is going to answer the obvious question: what were the actual error rates for blacks, whites, and all comers?

That Crucial Information is never provided in the article.

26% sounds like a lot, but if the absolute accuracy is medically adequate with low melanin, 26% worse is not likely to cross a threshold into grossly inadequate for those with darker skin.

If four out of 10,000 light skinned patients get an error with the temporal scanner, then 26% worse is only five out of 10,000 with darker pigment.

And if it was four verses five out of every 10 patients, I wouldn't want the Temporal Scanner no matter what color I was.

So naturally, the press release does not provide The actual data/information that would allow a reader to draw any useful conclusions.

Instead, it seems purposefully oblique in presenting info to the reader, intending to induce a superficial and emotional response to the obvious, inherent injustice, devoid of data, rather than dispassionately relaying the outcome of a thoughtfully performed study designed to answer an appropriate and apolitical question.

Or so I assume, I didn't actually look at the publication that the press release references. One would hope a more professional tone was struck.

But this press release is deserving of scorn on many levels. Similar in scope to "Thermometers are racist"
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TheCheshireHog
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I don’t need a study on those to know they can be inaccurate. Anyone that’s ever tried to use one of those on a fussy baby or toddler could have told you that immediately.


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tgerb8
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Anyone that’s ever tried to use one of those on a fussy baby or toddler could have told you that immediately.


yep. we do ours 3 times and take an average. at least we're pretty confident at that point on whether or not he actually has a fever. told us 104 one time and then 99.8 two seconds later.


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NC_Tigah
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temporal artery (forehead) thermometers, which measure temperature through the skin using infrared technology, do not detect fevers as accurately as oral thermometers in hospitalized patients who are Black
Physiology is racist.


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dgnx6
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But this press release is deserving of scorn on many levels. Similar in scope to "Thermometers are racist"



First i believe the op is just joking because someone paid for this study.

And i also noticed when looking for some data nothing was given to me to come to some serious conclusions, just shoulds and coulds.



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Amadeo
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OP is histrionic. This press release from Emory makes no claim of racism.

Maybe so, but it did offer an excuse for the author of the article to indulge his or her's little "woke itch" by applying the AP standard of capitalizing the adjective black and keeping White in lower case.


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Biko
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rectal for them then


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Hopeful Doc
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Infrared thermometers are heavily unreliable


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Philzilla2k
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But it works for white people?


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concrete_tiger
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If I use a new thermometer and compare it to a reliable version, I can miraculously use that knowledge to approximate temperature using either device.


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