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re: There is something "off" about this Fox/Dominion thing

Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:16 am to
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:16 am to
It would have been tough, because other than Pirro and Dobbs you really do not have overt action....although Bartiromo dances on the line...and Fox can easily jettison Pirro and Dobbs....actually did fire Dobbs who was literally off his rocker. Bartiromo was egging on Powell and Giuliani.

I agree Fox was more worried that the viewership would find out that the hosts think Trump to be an a-hole and they would lose them as they migrate to Newsmax and OANN....and open themselves up to relentless attacks by Trump which CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS would be more than happy to broadcast....in full.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:35 am to

Everyone lost in this one.

CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, etc., are all doing victory laps and don't seem to understand that the same weapons used on Fox can be turned on them.
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:46 am to
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How would Fox survive with all of their anchors being trotted out, one by one, and being forced to discuss how they really dislike Trump? You think someone like Tucker could maintain anywhere close to his ratings?


Here's the thing. The media was already getting these leaks.

But why Hannity's or Tucker's private communications even matter? They kept publishing their communications, yet everyone here universally agrees that Tucker and Hannity didn't even touch on this Dominion stuff (I challenge to find a single quote from Tucker or Hannity with the word Dominion in it), yet this became a central focus of this case and it makes no sense. Perhaps you can explain why it's relevant?

SFP, I understand you may see this case as a win on a political level. But do you really believe media companies should be barred from simply asking questions about a very "unusual" and "unique" election, with far reaching consequences?

Are we really to look at a company like Dominion, and take the stance that all of their functions while under contract to the government, are completely off limits from any scrutiny or criticism due to their ""private"" status, even while acting as essentially a de facto government beurocracy?
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 7:54 am
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:50 am to
Stop it. You are ruining their narrative. They believe this proves Trump lost fair and square. Never mind trashing free speech.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:55 am to
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Are we really to look at a company like Dominion, and take the stance that all of their functions while under contract to the government, are completely off limits from any scrutiny or criticism due to their ""private"" status, even while acting as essentially a de facto government beurocracy?



You keep saying this shite like it’s what happened

It’s not.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:56 am to
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CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, etc., are all doing victory laps and don't seem to understand that the same weapons used on Fox can be turned on them.

Oh 100%. It's a simpleton argument for progs to make as well regarding "real media".
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:00 am to
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Here's the thing. The media was already getting these leaks.

But why Hannity's or Tucker's private communications even matter?

a. Leverage in litigation (for reasons stated in my original post)

b. Sincerity of reporting. If you have texts from Anchor A calling "stop the steal" loons, but then Anchor A's show gives these loons a platform without any blowback, it may not show libel/slander, but it certainly creates a sense of insincerity that pushes close to that line.

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SFP, I understand you may see this case as a win on a political level.

What?

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But do you really believe media companies should be barred from simply asking questions about a very "unusual" and "unique" election, with far reaching consequences?

Where did I say that?

Also, you need to re-frame this question from the "I'm just asking questions" meme. It won't work the way you intend.

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Are we really to look at a company like Dominion, and take the stance that all of their functions while under contract to the government, are completely off limits from any scrutiny or criticism due to their ""private"" status, even while acting as essentially a de facto government beurocracy?

Nobody has made this argument.

The problem with this whole movement is the same in every case: lack of factual infrastructure.
Posted by GurleyGirl
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:01 am to
It's basically a donation to the liberal progressive establishment.
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:07 am to
Hey genius. The trial was starting. All the discovery was done already
Posted by tgdawg68
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:08 am to
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Anyone who thinks that Herschel Walker could lose a race in Georgia absolutely has their head up their arse.


You're the one with your head up your arse. I voted for Herschel but he was a deeply flawed candidate. Terrible really. Anyone with half a brain would see this.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
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28158 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:13 am to
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You watched Fox News regularly enough to come to that conclusion? lol


No, he didn't, but he did read a post on DU that someone thought they saw a paraphrased transcript of one fox commercial.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:13 am to
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Hey genius. The trial was starting. All the discovery was done already


As my earlier post points out, the irony of discovery destroying Fox is quite ironic, given the context
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:16 am to
I guess you either missed or ignored the really bad text messages so you have pivoted to the usual it’s a ConSpIrAcY!
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:46 am to
This was a business decision. Fox could have possibly prevailed in court but it would have been a Pyrrhic Victory. Yeah you won, but in the long run the damage incurred would not be worth it like Hannibal discovered ultimately in Italy during Roman times.

Did they really want to trot out all of the on air talent to testify and have that testimony used in a PR blitz by the Democrats and even Trump?

This was a win for Murdoch and if you want.....Trump because he made Fox his bitch. Got people to run with his narrative. But he pays a small cost in that Powell, Lindell and even Giuliani will ultimately get hosed in all of this....in the case of Sydney Powell deservedly so.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:09 am to
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I guess you either missed or ignored the really bad text messages so you have pivoted to the usual it’s a ConSpIrAcY!


I've seen everything that you think is some bombshell.

Yet you have failed to provide one simple quote from a Fox anchor slandering Dominion.

You have also failed to provide any relevant context as to why Sean Hannity's personal opinions on something is in anyway relevant when he never so much as uttered the word "Dominion". I'm not some Hannity lackey, I'm just honestly curious as you seem to be caught in a feedback loop in your left bubble, and when I ask you to provide simple information you outright ignore it and avoid it.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 9:10 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:12 am to
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This was a business decision. Fox could have possibly prevailed in court but it would have been a Pyrrhic Victory. Yeah you won, but in the long run the damage incurred would not be worth it like Hannibal discovered ultimately in Italy during Roman times.

Exactly. This could have legitimately gutted their entire roster, and then what do they do?

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Did they really want to trot out all of the on air talent to testify and have that testimony used in a PR blitz by the Democrats and even Trump?

Exactly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:13 am to
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You have also failed to provide any relevant context as to why Sean Hannity's personal opinions on something is in anyway relevant when he never so much as uttered the word "Dominion".

I posted about this. It's about insincerity, which is the first step to libel/slander.

The personal beliefs of the producers, directors, and on air talent 100% matters when discussing the veracity of what they put on air.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:16 am to
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I posted about this. It's about insincerity, which is the first step to libel/slander.


Insincerity on whose part? Are you saying that all of FB is some monolith, where Hannity's opinion somehow crosses over to Lou Dobbs opinion?

And again, Dobbs was asking questions and interviewing guests. You can feel however you want about that, but we should have more of this not less. I find it astonishing the left feels we should have less questioning of authority, not more.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10328 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:19 am to
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Exactly. This could have legitimately gutted their entire roster, and then what do they do?



So you are implying the premise of this case was actually garbage. But it was an extortion racket designed to make FN submit because of other negative consequences not even related to the case it self, but may be discovered and leaked.

Are we OK with using the courts and justice system for this purpose? Why do we feel it's cool to use it as a weapon against enemies, and not to simply impartially find justice from harm done.
Posted by LaMigra
Member since Nov 2022
2716 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:25 am to
It really is amazing all the sheep that think the election wasn't stolen!!

You have to be a complete moron, brainless fool not to see it. You don’t belong in this country, you belong in Mexico where elections are 100% rigged and nobody lifts a finger
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