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Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:50 am to flyAU
No prob. Thanks
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:52 am to flyAU
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With the death of so many (Jobs, Koch etc) that have endless amounts of money, there is no secret cure for cancer that are under wraps.
Our world is imperfect. Turn to God. Trust in him. Find comfort in eternal life with the lord.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:56 am to Nguyener
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Turn to God
I need to do this. It has been a while and I got bitter losing my mom.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:54 am to flyAU
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I need to do this. It has been a while and I got bitter losing my mom.
It happens. A simple prayer each morning and night is a great start. If you reach out to God he will warm your heart.
Just remember that a church is not the end all be all of God. Churches are run by men and men are imperfect. Too many people get caught up in the routine and man made institutions. They equate earthly organized religion with God's presence. The two are not the same. God's kingdom is not of this world. No matter what some men try to tell you.
Unfortunately God gets lost in our current society. It doesn't take much to believe in God and you don't get any attention for it. So it isn't flashy and cool I guess. Our youth are lost. And their abandoning God is a major reason for it.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:58 am to Nguyener
I grew up Lutheran and still feel my relationship with God is a direct connection and not needing a man to be the middle man. I do though value the church in reminding of the word of it all.
I just need some reconnection.
I just need some reconnection.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:04 pm to flyAU
If cancer were cured then death from something else would go up since we all die. I'm a history buff. I'd like to die from consumption. Or maybe dyspepsia or the epizootie.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:06 pm to 1897
So does oxygen, ****. Living is the leading cause of death.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 3:29 pm to Tiguar
Well this turned into a timely thread.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 4:59 pm to flyAU
We will never find a "cure" for cancer. We will simply continue to keep people alive longer who get it. Treatments will get better.
I mean, unless we find some precogs who can determine which cells in an individual's body are going to start evading apoptotic mechanisms and replicate/mutate quickly and effectively.
Finding a "cure for cancer" is nothing more than a nice tagline for fundraising efforts to help improve treatments and give people access to therapies that they may not otherwise afford. Which is why I have no problem with it, even though it is a bunch of BS
I mean, unless we find some precogs who can determine which cells in an individual's body are going to start evading apoptotic mechanisms and replicate/mutate quickly and effectively.
Finding a "cure for cancer" is nothing more than a nice tagline for fundraising efforts to help improve treatments and give people access to therapies that they may not otherwise afford. Which is why I have no problem with it, even though it is a bunch of BS
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:09 pm to flyAU
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There is no secret cure for cancer
That’s because “cancer” is not one single disease. Cancer is hundreds of different disease. All with different biology, different genetics, differ risk factors and different treatments.
You can “cure” one cancer and still be light years away from curing another.
Similarly, stage at diagnosis is important. A cancer diagnosed at stage I may be cured relatively easily (again depending on the specific type of cancer). Whereas the same cancer diagnosed at stage III or IV may be virtually impossible to cure.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:10 pm to flyAU
Complex question
Confounded by:
Not all cancers behave the same
Different cancer biology necessitates different treatments
That said, the wrong questions/focus is generally applied. We should be asking what cancer really is. With that as insight, it will inform you how to make good decisions on prevention
Cancer is disregulated growth at its most basic level. A cell gets out of balance during replication and is not held in check by the immune system.
Cancer is a microcosm of our society and it’s values. We are massively out of balance (as above, so below)
Simple things that folks overlook (that have direct/indirect impacts)
The obesity/diabetes epidemic is going to further fuel pro—growth signaling
Poor sleep quantity/quality negatively impacts immune function and weight gain (see prior point)
Achieve at all cost mindset leaves little time for health maintenance. Unchecked sympathetic dominance exerts a pernicious toll over time...
These concepts / my thoughts are detailed in posts here:
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/how-can-you-catch-cancer-in-its-early-stage-of-development/66421513/page-3/
The way forward is practical prevention and immunotherapy (IMO).
Wielding the fickle bitch that is the immune system makes the most sense mechanistically, but again, not all cancer biology is the same and there are other complex issues to work through
Confounded by:
Not all cancers behave the same
Different cancer biology necessitates different treatments
That said, the wrong questions/focus is generally applied. We should be asking what cancer really is. With that as insight, it will inform you how to make good decisions on prevention
Cancer is disregulated growth at its most basic level. A cell gets out of balance during replication and is not held in check by the immune system.
Cancer is a microcosm of our society and it’s values. We are massively out of balance (as above, so below)
Simple things that folks overlook (that have direct/indirect impacts)
The obesity/diabetes epidemic is going to further fuel pro—growth signaling
Poor sleep quantity/quality negatively impacts immune function and weight gain (see prior point)
Achieve at all cost mindset leaves little time for health maintenance. Unchecked sympathetic dominance exerts a pernicious toll over time...
These concepts / my thoughts are detailed in posts here:
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/how-can-you-catch-cancer-in-its-early-stage-of-development/66421513/page-3/
The way forward is practical prevention and immunotherapy (IMO).
Wielding the fickle bitch that is the immune system makes the most sense mechanistically, but again, not all cancer biology is the same and there are other complex issues to work through
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:12 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Here is another hypothetical to ponder:
If a magical cure were to become reality, the following things would need to be considered:
The abrupt curing of cancer (and subsequent expansion of the geriatric population) could potentially collapse society...
The key is extension of productive life/healthspan.
If all we can bring to the table is extension of life without preservation of vitality, there will be too large of population skew = societal collapse
A few dominos have to fall before we "see" a cure for cancer. Namely:
-stable political / economic climate
-reliable age extension/ vitality preservation (see links below for folks working to do this)
There is a push to manage age as a disease. This is the correct mindset
Bioviva
LINK
If a magical cure were to become reality, the following things would need to be considered:
The abrupt curing of cancer (and subsequent expansion of the geriatric population) could potentially collapse society...
The key is extension of productive life/healthspan.
If all we can bring to the table is extension of life without preservation of vitality, there will be too large of population skew = societal collapse
A few dominos have to fall before we "see" a cure for cancer. Namely:
-stable political / economic climate
-reliable age extension/ vitality preservation (see links below for folks working to do this)
There is a push to manage age as a disease. This is the correct mindset
Bioviva
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We are gene therapy innovation leaders. We develop therapies to treat severe genetic disorders and cellular aging. We are working on several patents and are seeking strategic partnerships to help us make a positive step forward in our efforts to bring cures to aging populations and those who suffer monogenic disease. At the heart of Bioviva's product creation efforts is its broadly applicable gene therapy platform for the development of novel one time treatments for diseases with either ineffective or no clinical options.
LINK
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Dr. Valter Longo, a professor of gerontology and biological sciences and director of the longevity institute at the University of Southern California.
Dr. Longo has made huge contributions to the field of aging, including the role of fasting and diet in longevity and healthspan in humans as well as metabolic fasting therapies for the treatment of human diseases. In this conversation, Rhonda and Valter discuss...
• The effects of prolonged fasting, which refers to 2-3 day fasting intervals in mice and 4-5 days in humans.
• Dr. Longo’s work on the fasting-mimicking diet, which is 5 day restricted diet that is meant to simulate some of the biological effects of prolonged fasting while still allowing some food.
• How clinical trials have demonstrated efficacy for this diet for type 2 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, and cancer patients.
• Fasting as an inducer of differential stress resistance, where it can simultaneously make cancer cells more sensitive to death while also making healthy cells more resistant to these same death stimuli (such as chemotherapy) which might otherwise induce cell death amongst healthy cells as collateral damage.
• Fasting as a biological state which humans historically experienced with extreme regularity and we may ultimately need in order to mitigate various disease states.
• The effects of prolonged fasting on the immune system, namely, how it clears away damaged white blood cells via autophagy and how this causes hematopoietic stem cells to self renew and make more stem cells and also produce new blood cells to fully replenish the white blood cell population.
• How prolonged fasting causes a shift in the immune cell population towards one that is more representative of youth by normalizing the ratio of myeloid cells to lymphoid cells.
• The positive effects of prolonged fasting and the fasting-mimicking diet on markers of systemic inflammation, blood glucose levels and other aging biomarkers.
• The conclusions of Dr. Longo & Dr. Marcus Bock’s research comparing 1 week of the fasting-mimicking diet followed by 6 months of mediterranean diet to six months of a ketogenic diet in people with multiple sclerosis.
• The strange, somewhat paradoxical role of autophagy genes in cancer progression and some of the open questions surrounding the exact role that these genes are playing.
• Dr. Longo’s high level thoughts on metformin as an anti-aging drug.
• How the growth hormone/IGF-1 axis is one of the most important genetic pathways in aging from yeast to worms to mice to humans.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:13 pm to SantaFe
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I want to know how RGB beat Pancreatic Cancer
Do we know what type of pancreatic cancer she had? There are different types, some extremely aggressive and some relatively indolent.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:15 pm to Zach
quote:No man. You don't want to die from Tb. There is an antibiotic resistant Tb now. I would imagine a pretty horrible existence.
I'd like to die from consumption
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:30 pm to flyAU
Hell I wouldnt know whether there's a withheld cure for cancer, or the many many other diseases and ailments that fall under the same theory. But I do feel comfortable saying that a great deal of money, unfathomable amounts, would be lost by uber powerful industries (and lobby) of pharma/research/healthcare if said cures were to be achieved. If malevolent conspiratorial acts leading to Epstein, 9/11, JFK etc etc etc are realistic then so is this.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:47 pm to flyAU
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There is no secret cure for cancer
Yes there is silly. Joe
Biden has it, but will only share the secret if elected!
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:50 pm to flyAU
Lance Armstrong and Robert Deniro had access to the cure. I’ve heard they do a lottery system among people with money.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:58 pm to 1897
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animal protein can be an activator of carcinogens in your body?
eat grass fed meat. non grass fed meat stimulates inflammation in your body.....accelerating disease processes...
Posted on 8/24/19 at 12:22 pm to guedeaux
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Can you explain in detail that little nugget?
Which carcinogens are activated?
How are they activated?
Which animals?
Which proteins?
Which parts of those proteins?
Is it only the primary structure of the proteins or does the tertiary and quaternary structure of the proteins play a role?
Are humans animals? Does that mean that by default we are activating our own carcinogens?
I am super excited to hear your response.
Ok so I went away from this post, and didnt realize my question would garner so much animosity.. the idea came from the China Study, which was a book written about nutrition. It talked about peanuts with mold being used to make peanut butter at peanut factories, I believe in the Phillipines. This caused high levels of aflatoxin in the peanut butter, but the upper class children with more availability to meat in their diets were more prone to cancer. I asked, not because I know or because of some gotcha attempt, but to see if there was any validity to the claim.
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