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The white evangelical march toward climate disaster
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:34 am
The white evangelical march toward climate disaster
The most striking — and disturbing — finding of the Public Religion Research Institute’s new climate change survey is that while the proportion of all Americans who consider climate change a crisis has risen 16% since 2014, among white evangelicals it has dropped 38%.
That brings crisis-level concern among white evangelicals down to 8% — the lowest of any religious community in the country. They are also the only community whose support for action to mitigate climate change falls below 0.5 on a scale of 0 – 1. (Their 0.41 support level compares with 0.57 for all Americans.)
At the other end of the scale are the nones (or, in PRRI lingo, the unaffiliated), among whom crisis concern has risen by nearly a quarter, from 33% to 43%, with support for mitigation action at 0.66.
Black Protestants are the only other religious community whose crisis-level of concern about climate has declined in the past decade (from 24% to 19%). But their support for mitigation action, at 0.61, is above the national average. (It may be that, since 2014, the situation of Black people in American society has edged climate out of the crisis category for some.)
Related video: There’s a New Aspect of Climate Change to Worry About (Dailymotion)
Of course, it’s hardly news that white evangelicals come in last on the scale of faith-based climate concern. Beginning in the 1990s, they were the principal audience for the Interfaith Council for Environmental Stewardship, an outfit funded by the Koch brothers and fossil fuel companies that promoted skepticism about climate change and the science behind it.
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:36 am to djmed
People I go to church with don’t give two rats arses about climate change. We’re too busy trying to survive everyday life.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:38 am to djmed
climate change is their religion.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:41 am to djmed
Communists will never get off their white evangelical bogeyman routine.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:42 am to djmed
I think it has a lot to do with evangelicals thinking they will be raptured before anything really bad happens. That’s not a belief in mainline or chihuahua church Protestants or in Catholicism which makes those churches members worry about the consequences of their actions. All of that aside, it doesn’t mean the evangelicals aren’t right about this. It just means that other types of believers are more susceptible to these types of concerns in the first place
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:45 am to djmed
When God destroys this evil world, what we drive will have little to nothing to do with it.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:00 am to djmed
The same people who tell us there is man made climate change also tell us:
Covid came from a wet market
The Covid vaccine keeps one from getting Covid
The Covid vaccine keeps one from spreading Covid.
Masks reduce the getting and passing of Covid.
Ivermectin is dangerous and won’t help people with Covid.
Trump collaborated with the Russians to steal the 2016 election.
Biden got 81 million votes 20 million more than Obama and Hillary.
January 6th was an insurrection.
Electric cars are better for the environment.
Inflation is down and the economy is up.
Etc…….
But believe us on Climate Change.
Covid came from a wet market
The Covid vaccine keeps one from getting Covid
The Covid vaccine keeps one from spreading Covid.
Masks reduce the getting and passing of Covid.
Ivermectin is dangerous and won’t help people with Covid.
Trump collaborated with the Russians to steal the 2016 election.
Biden got 81 million votes 20 million more than Obama and Hillary.
January 6th was an insurrection.
Electric cars are better for the environment.
Inflation is down and the economy is up.
Etc…….
But believe us on Climate Change.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:27 am to djmed
So, in essence, people who believe in the genius of God’s creation, perfect design, and plan for mankind don’t believe that man has the ability to destroy God’s creation through burning fossil fuels He clearly designed and planned to be used by human beings for our energy needs, and that intelligently designed creation can withstand what man can throw at it, especially since God is not limited by time, and has everything planned out with His good purposes in mind?
Do we really think that we are going to catch God by surprise, or that we in all of our incredible arrogance believe that God has not foreseen everything already, and planned His own creation around that already?
In addition, God is not the spirit of fear, but of peace and a sound mind, and that rules out most believers from being swept up in the climate disaster hysteria every time it comes around, and which one of the doom and gloom predictions should have garnered our attention? When acid rain was going to do us in? When a new ice age was eminent? When the oceans were rising, or when they were falling? When famine was going to wipe us out? When the ozone had a hole in it and we had to stop using aerosols to save planet earth? Air pollution will result in our end? When drought was going to stop snow from falling?
Can you imagine buying into every panic or doomsday prediction that became the new talking point of the day?
Wrong Again: 50 years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions
Do we really think that we are going to catch God by surprise, or that we in all of our incredible arrogance believe that God has not foreseen everything already, and planned His own creation around that already?
In addition, God is not the spirit of fear, but of peace and a sound mind, and that rules out most believers from being swept up in the climate disaster hysteria every time it comes around, and which one of the doom and gloom predictions should have garnered our attention? When acid rain was going to do us in? When a new ice age was eminent? When the oceans were rising, or when they were falling? When famine was going to wipe us out? When the ozone had a hole in it and we had to stop using aerosols to save planet earth? Air pollution will result in our end? When drought was going to stop snow from falling?
Can you imagine buying into every panic or doomsday prediction that became the new talking point of the day?
Wrong Again: 50 years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:31 am to djmed
Man made climate change is a farce. Is the climate changing? Yes. Absolutely, it always does - gradual warming, gradual cooling, maybe even followed by an extended period of warm or cold.
The ice ages, the earth being a giant greenhouse, etc all happened due to "climate change", we can't control it or stop it no matter how powerful we allow governments and chosen institutions to be. We should all be good stewards of the land and go on with life.
The ice ages, the earth being a giant greenhouse, etc all happened due to "climate change", we can't control it or stop it no matter how powerful we allow governments and chosen institutions to be. We should all be good stewards of the land and go on with life.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:42 am to djmed
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climate
This is when I stopped reading
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:46 am to Mike da Tigah
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don’t believe that man has the ability to destroy God’s creation through burning fossil fuels He clearly designed and planned to be used by human beings for our energy needs
What a load of garbage.
And before the <80 IQ contingent starts wearing out their mouse downvoting, none of what I am about to say is any defense of the climate change narrative. I don't believe we are in any sort of "crisis" relative to any of that.
However, God didn't design fossil fuels to be used by humans for energy. Genesis is very clear that His original design is what he called good, and in that original design there was no need for fossil fuels nor even any evidence that fossil fuels created by generations of dead life forms would even be possible. You need death for fossil fuels. The rest of the Bible is pretty clear that every adaptation that has happened since the fall is less than ideal to one degree or another except the redemption of sin through Christ.
It sounds like your argument is based on the idea that it has happened, God knew it was going to happen, so God planned for it and designed the world such that it would happen and is responsible for it happening. But by that logic God is also responsible for children getting raped and penises were designed to be used for that purpose.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:17 am to wackatimesthree
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However, God didn't design fossil fuels to be used by humans for energy. Genesis is very clear that His original design is what he called good, and in that original design there was no need for fossil fuels nor even any evidence that fossil fuels created by generations of dead life forms would even be possible. You need death for fossil fuels. The rest of the Bible is pretty clear that every adaptation that has happened since the fall is less than ideal to one degree or another except the redemption of sin through Christ.
It sounds like your argument is based on the idea that it has happened, God knew it was going to happen, so God planned for it and designed the world such that it would happen and is responsible for it happening. But by that logic God is also responsible for children getting raped and penises were designed to be used for that purpose
Well, I’m not omnipotent, omnipresent, and precognitive. I’m just a human being, but God is all of that, and while you’re right that His perfect plan was altered when man fell, He also being all of the above, knew full well future events, and His plan was put in place to sustain life until the end, and God says when that end is, not man. It’s man that is arrogant enough to believe he wields the power to destroy an entire planet, and also to save that same planet from its destruction as well. That’s where our arrogance is out of balance with reality, and our lack of faith in God working all of this out for His good purposes, as if man is going to sneak a curve ball past God, and He just isn’t going to see it coming.
Everything on this planet has its design and its purpose, including fossil fuels. Man didn’t invent science or math. God is the inventor of that, and we are the recipients of that knowledge from His creation when we uncover that knowledge or material. We are of course intended to be good stewards of this planet, but we are also commanded to subdue the earth, reflecting the manner to which God is ruler over all of His creation and subdues it. That is the image we were created to live in when God created us in His image, the image being a testament to the reflection of God in all of His creation.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:21 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Man made climate change is a farce. Is the climate changing? Yes. Absolutely, it always does - gradual warming, gradual cooling, maybe even followed by an extended period of warm or cold.
The ice ages, the earth being a giant greenhouse, etc all happened due to "climate change", we can't control it or stop it no matter how powerful we allow governments and chosen institutions to be. We should all be good stewards of the land and go on with life.
Well said; short and to-the-point. The climate has been changing for billions of years. It's nothing new.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 1:00 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Absolutely, it always does - gradual warming, gradual cooling, maybe even followed by an extended period of warm or cold.
No one is disputing this as far as I know. We have been in a warming period since the last ice age. The issue as I understand it is the gradual warming has accelerated and temp increases that would normally take thousands of years is being hit in 150 years.
Now I dont believe we are going to windmill and Tesla our way out of the problem and a lot of the green new deal stuff is bullshite. So is this pipe dream that we going to get off fossil fuels in the next 50 years. We should be pushing nuclear, renewables where it makes sense and make plans to adapt to climate change whether its man made or not.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 1:19 pm to Mike da Tigah
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When acid rain was going to do us in? When a new ice age was eminent? When the oceans were rising, or when they were falling? When famine was going to wipe us out? When the ozone had a hole in it and we had to stop using aerosols to save planet earth? Air pollution will result in our end? When drought was going to stop snow from falling?
Did we not tackle those problems and make headway to solve them? It's a little bit like saying, 'I had a heart attack and my doctor put a stent in. They told me I had to exercise and now I feel great. So I think that was all just nonsense to make money for the medical establishment.
Interestingly enough during the post WW2 era we did have a bit of global cooling due to the rise of pollutants. Some have even suggested using sulfur dioxide as a stop gap measure until we find a more reasonable solution to curb climate change as ending fossil fuel use aint gonna happen.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 1:35 pm to Mike da Tigah
Always fun to revisit the breathless, hyperbolic doomsday predictions that the dominant media in this country NEVER question.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 1:45 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Well, I’m not omnipotent, omnipresent, and precognitive. I’m just a human being, but God is all of that, and while you’re right that His perfect plan was altered when man fell, He also being all of the above, knew full well future events, and His plan was put in place to sustain life until the end, and God says when that end is, not man. It’s man that is arrogant enough to believe he wields the power to destroy an entire planet, and also to save that same planet from its destruction as well. That’s where our arrogance is out of balance with reality, and our lack of faith in God working all of this out for His good purposes, as if man is going to sneak a curve ball past God, and He just isn’t going to see it coming. Everything on this planet has its design and its purpose, including fossil fuels. Man didn’t invent science or math. God is the inventor of that, and we are the recipients of that knowledge from His creation when we uncover that knowledge or material. We are of course intended to be good stewards of this planet, but we are also commanded to subdue the earth, reflecting the manner to which God is ruler over all of His creation and subdues it. That is the image we were created to live in when God created us in His image, the image being a testament to the reflection of God in all of His creation.
Right, but that goes back to his point where you believe that God created fossil fuels specifically so we could industrialize the economy. Could you not say that God also gave us slaves so that we wouldn’t have to work in the fields? I know that’s an extreme example. I just don’t think these matters are as straightforward as your post. There are many things which may benefit me temporally that are evil and not of God. I think it’s a dangerous idea to start from the proposition that everything I am doing now is in line with God’s will.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 2:02 pm to MAADFACTS
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Right, but that goes back to his point where you believe that God created fossil fuels specifically so we could industrialize the economy. Could you not say that God also gave us slaves so that we wouldn’t have to work in the fields? I know that’s an extreme example.
It’s an absurdly irrelevant leap from God creating matter designed for a purpose. A similar example might be wood and coal which serve multiple purposes, but also for our energy needs.
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I just don’t think these matters are as straightforward as your post. There are many things which may benefit me temporally that are evil and not of God.
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 2:04 pm to djmed
If Islamic people are known for anything, it's for not pushing fossil fuels. 
Posted on 10/5/23 at 2:07 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Can you imagine buying into every panic or doomsday prediction that became the new talking point of the day?
Wrong Again: 50 years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions
You act as if religion isn't equally as terrible about this
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