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re: The US overthrew the Yukanovych government in 2014
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:39 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:39 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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by the globalists
Oh. I was giving you legitimate responses. That may not have been wise.
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sure, but it's no threat to Russia unless Russia acts aggressively towards a member.
Yet it is inconceivable to you that such a “defensive” pact — largely subsidized by U.S. taxpayers to the benefit of the military industrial complex — continually expanding into Eastern Europe could be seen as act of aggression by Russia?
Got it.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:41 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Yet it is inconceivable to you that such a “defensive” pact — largely subsidized by U.S. taxpayers to the benefit of the military industrial complex — continually expanding into Eastern Europe could be seen as act of aggression by Russia?
We are still fighting using the cold war mentality. Its insane.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Remember when Obama felt the need to apologize to the world on behalf of the United States? It was for doing exactly the same shite dems and neocons are clamoring for now.
It’s time to grow up and stop acting like we ever involve ourselves in international conflicts for the “right reasons”.
It’s time to grow up and stop acting like we ever involve ourselves in international conflicts for the “right reasons”.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:45 am to Toomer Deplorable
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continually expanding into Eastern Europe could be seen as act of aggression by Russia?
There is no legal legitimacy to considering sovereign states entering into pacts on their own as an “aggression” towards you.
If Russia doesn’t want to join NATO that’s on them. They should have no say in other countries.
This sounds more like Putin is worried he can’t bully Eastern Europe economically anymore if they agree to join NATO. And again, what nation has joined NATO without popular consent?
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:45 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Yet it is inconceivable to you that such a “defensive” pact — largely subsidized by U.S. taxpayers to the benefit of the military industrial complex — continually expanding into Eastern Europe could be seen as act of aggression by Russia?
Are we still talking militarily?
Yes, that would be inconceivable to any logical person.
I will say something that I have realized during this thread. Examples of international warfare are very rare and have been since Pax Americana and, hell, even as far back as the cold war. It's not likely or common that one nation invades another. Proxy-civil wars? Sure, but there still aren't that many of them. Even if I give you the US invasion of Iraq, that's one.
Russia having a legitimate fear of being attacked militarily is close to insanity. Even if they didn't have a nuclear deterrent, those sorts of invasions simply do not happen that often these days. International trade and associations, along with technology, have made the world much smaller and international war much more rare.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:WT's responses in this thread are spot on, SFP.
Oh. I was giving you legitimate responses. That may not have been wise.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Oh. I was giving you legitimate responses. That may not have been wise.
This is rich coming from someone who claims the 2014 coup in the Ukraine supported by our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus has no bearing whatsoever on the current geo-political crisis in region.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sure, but it's no threat to Russia unless Russia acts aggressively towards a member.
Me and the rest of your suburban neighbors will keep our guns trained on you constantly. But you have no reason to feel threatened as long as you do nothing that displeases us. Meanwhile we will all spread lies about you as we use you as a lever to settle our personal vendettas. Sound like a good deal?
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:48 am to NC_Tigah
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WT's responses in this thread are spot on, SFP.
If he's basing them around the concept of "globalists" then that's largely impossible.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:49 am to Vacherie Saint
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But you have no reason to feel threatened as long as you no nothing that displeases us.
If your example is the neighbors guarding their houses, from their own property, it sounds like an argument for Gun control.
In any case, you can “feel” threatened. But you have no legal right to invade your neighbor’s property.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:49 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:Is there legitimacy if the means of attaining participation in the pact was via a US advanced coup?
There is no legal legitimacy to considering sovereign states entering into pacts on their own as an “aggression” towards you.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:50 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Yet it is inconceivable to you that such a “defensive” pact — largely subsidized by U.S. taxpayers to the benefit of the military industrial complex — continually expanding into Eastern Europe could be seen as act of aggression by Russia?
Got it.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:50 am to Vacherie Saint
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Me and the rest of your suburban neighbors will keep our guns trained on you constantly. But you have no reason to feel threatened as long as you do nothing that displeases us.
No. NATO is believing that you and your neighbors should arm yourselves and if SHTF, you come to their defense...volutarily.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:51 am to NC_Tigah
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Is there legitimacy if the means of attaining participation in the pact was via a US advanced coup?
But that threat doesn't exist in 2022
If Russia did this in 2014, that argument would have some merit
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:51 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:Only because you can call the police to conduct the invasion for you. There are no police in the international equation, only the parties at hand.
But you have no legal right to invade your neighbor’s property.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:52 am to NC_Tigah
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a US advanced coup?
So, we circle back around to 2014 and a government that has since been replaced by a new government that was popularly elected in 2019...that still wants to join the West.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:52 am to UndercoverBryologist
Not saying you do.
Just dragging my nuts across a laughable argument that Russia has no reason to feel threatened. Maybe by their own doing, but certainly they do. The whole of western society wants them erased.
Just dragging my nuts across a laughable argument that Russia has no reason to feel threatened. Maybe by their own doing, but certainly they do. The whole of western society wants them erased.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:53 am to NC_Tigah
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Only because you can call the police to conduct the invasion for you. There are no police in the international equation, only the parties at hand.
This would be like calling your family to help you, which does exist in the international equation.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:53 am to NC_Tigah
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Only because you can call the police to conduct the invasion for you. There are no police in the international equation, only the parties at hand.
Do you seriously call the police to arrest someone legally guarding their own home?
Please say you don’t support gun control.
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