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re: The unwavering support of Ukraine
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:58 am to HVAU
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:58 am to HVAU
And lets say he does this. That's gonna affect me how exactly? What about the benefits of not letting our southern border be overrun? What about the benefits of not letting the cartels make billions killing Americans with fentanyl. Why exactly are you hanging your hat on this one thing as the main problem facing America? We have MUCH larger issues at home.
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:58 am to Ribbed
I don't think you qualify as independent or sovereign if you are taking billions from foreign investors either.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:00 am to Ribbed
Agreed....
What real benefit does preventing Putin from reestablishing the soviet union have if it bankrupts and hurts the defense of America. I know some people dont like to admit it, but money just doesnt come from heaven. There is a finite supply
What real benefit does preventing Putin from reestablishing the soviet union have if it bankrupts and hurts the defense of America. I know some people dont like to admit it, but money just doesnt come from heaven. There is a finite supply
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:03 am to RoosterCogburn585
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And lets say he does this. That's gonna affect me how exactly? What about the benefits of not letting our southern border be overrun? What about the benefits of not letting the cartels make billions killing Americans with fentanyl. Why exactly are you hanging your hat on this one thing as the main problem facing America? We have MUCH larger issues at home.
Point one: Russia expanding territory to the Polish border vastly increases the chance of a broader conflict with direct NATO engagement (that means us).
Point two: nonsequitur. The Ukraine conflict has nothing to do with the Mexican border, and reducing funding for Ukraine’s military aid would in no way affect funding for southern border enforcement. That’s like me asking why aren’t we spending all of these funds on housing the homeless. Add much as I’d prefer it, the two have very little to do with each other and it ain’t gonna happen.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:04 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:04 am to VOR
The people of Ukraine may aligned with us but the government is not. That is the reason they were attacked and why our liberals and rhinos support the war.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:05 am to HVAU
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There’s been plenty of doubtful speculation and only it’s been two years.
Only two years. Only 100 billion dollars. Pfft. We have plenty of time to reach the incompetence and abuse of Afghanistan. I notice you didn't answer the question.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:06 am to HVAU
I feel like it kind of has a lot to do with the southern border. Dont you find it strange that we couldnt find a few billion to secure our own border, but somehow we have no problem sending over a hundred billion to secure a foreign countries border? The same country that is known for CORRUPTION?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:09 am to Ribbed
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I notice you didn't answer the question.
Because the answer to that is obvious. I didn’t think it needed answering. Comparing border breaches by immigrants to direct military invasion is asinine, and of course the US is going to provide aid to global partners experiencing the latter. Doing so may prevent a broader, direct conflict with NATO.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:12 am to HVAU
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Because the answer to that is obvious. I didn’t think it needed answering. Comparing border breaches by immigrants to direct military invasion is asinine, and of course the US is going to provide aid to global partners experiencing the latter. Doing so may prevent a broader, direct conflict with NATO.
Don’t try to explain it beyond this. Preventing future conflict by showing a western front and resolve against authoritarian expansion is a simple concept to understand, but you have a contingent that can’t understand even that context to why you support Ukraine, even if you don’t love Zelensky and know corruption in war is a problem.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:15 am to HVAU
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Because the answer to that is obvious. I didn’t think it needed answering. Comparing border breaches by immigrants to direct military invasion is asinine
Only when your goal is constant war and an overrun population can you say the comparison of a foreign sovereign independent nation to our own interests and migration issues is assinine. Can't imagine why the people of this country are less than enthusiastic with the delusions and aspirations of Washington
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:16 am to CollegeFBRules
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Don’t try to explain it beyond this. Preventing future conflict by showing a western front and resolve against authoritarian expansion is a simple concept
Preventing future conflict is a red herring when the goal is constant war.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:18 am to RoosterCogburn585
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I feel like it kind of has a lot to do with the southern border. Dont you find it strange that we couldnt find a few billion to secure our own border, but somehow we have no problem sending over a hundred billion to secure a foreign countries border? The same country that is known for CORRUPTION?
Not really strange. It’s s a completely different type of problem. The reason we haven’t come to a solution on the southern border is more than just a funding issue. There also competing philosophies about what should be done, and gradations of those positions. The hard right wants a great wall, and more humorously alligator moats and motion detection machine gun turrets. The hard left wants open borders. The space in between runs from more patrols to more robust judicial immigrant processing. All of the possible compromises are further impeded by non competitive electoral districts that guarantee to seats to the most incendiary of the candidates. It’s amazing anything gets accomplished when there is no public incentive to govern.
Ukraine is much simpler than our internal politics. To send weapons or not to send weapons. On top of that, the spending is a hell of an economic benefit to American weapons manufacturers and likely one of the revenue streams that is floating the economy right now.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:21 am to RoosterCogburn585
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explain to me what benefit we are getting from assisting a country that can't even afford to defend itself?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:21 am to Ribbed
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Only when your goal is constant war and an overrun population can you say the comparison of a foreign sovereign independent nation to our own interests and migration issues is assinine. Can't imagine why the people of this country are less than enthusiastic with the delusions and aspirations of Washington
Honestly just shut the frick up. So exhausting trying to have a real back and forth when people are throwing out lines like “only when your goal is constant war”.
God damn!
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:22 am to RoosterCogburn585
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:26 am to HVAU
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Honestly just shut the frick up. So exhausting trying to have a real back and forth when people are throwing out lines like “only when your goal is constant war”.
Shut up, he said. Facts are really hard to defend against when I'm trying to push war and get these plebes in line.
If you're exhausted, go take a nap. You're sounding a bit cranky anyway.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:26 am to VOR
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Ukraine is an independent,sovereign country, aligned, for the most part with Western European democracies, with whom the US has treaty obligations. It literally was attacked by Russia because of Putin’s desire to re-create the Eastern Bloc that was supported and effectively ruled by the old Soviet Union. It is in the best interest of the US and Western Europe that Russian aggression be defeated. Yes, Ukraine is a smaller country without the resources of Russia or the U.S., but that makes US support even more critical.
Lol. You mean the CIA installed a more pro western government in Ukraine in 2014, which then led to Ukraine attacks on the Russian people in the Easter regions, not to mention US bio labs. So in response Russia takes Crimea, something the US would have done in the same shoes. Now Russia occupies and defends the two regions in eastern Ukraine occupied by predominantly ethnic Russian people. This is essentially a US caused conflict by design in perpetuity with the botched exit from Afghanistan. This is nothing more then more war profiteering, and I for one want it done with. Thank you for parroting our lying mainstream media, now go get in line to get your wool trimmed.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:28 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:29 am to GhostOfFreedom
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Well, they are not revealling all the damning evidence they have on the Bidens, Romney, Graham, Kerry, and our other swamp rulers. So, that their protection is what we are getting out of pissing away billions and billions of our dollars and risking WWIII.
Isn't it worth it?
Don't forget the protection of our Bio-Weapons Labratories there as well.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:30 am to HVAU
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Point one: Russia expanding territory to the Polish border vastly increases the chance of a broader conflict with direct NATO engagement (that means us).
yeah they are gonna roll right through Poland to occupy paris Clown world
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:32 am to SDVTiger
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yeah they are gonna roll right through Poland to occupy paris Clown world
Lol seriously. I can’t believe morons buy this nonsense.
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