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re: The True History of the Jonestown Cult, WWII, and How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:17 am to doubleb
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:17 am to doubleb
quote:Hitler would have made peace with England in a heartbeat. He offered. Several times, Both publicly and privately. If Rudolf Hess had succeeded in gaining an agreement in 1941, Hitler would have still been on board.
some in this thread want to believe he would have made peace with England if only Churchill would not have been a war mongerer. That’s BS.
The question of course, is how long would peace have lasted, and at what cost.
The vast majority of historians credibly hold that the peace would have been an Indian Summer of sorts, ending shortly after the USSR was subjugated, if/when that occurred. Regardless, a British peace would have ceded nearly all of continental Europe to either Germany or the USSR, depending on the outcome of Barbarossa.
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:22 am to OBReb6
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this would be the appropriate time to discuss the scale of British propaganda operations in the United States.
It doesn’t take much propaganda to see the danger of one European nation taking over the entire continent.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:23 am to OBReb6
quote:FDR didn't need propaganda. He was champing at the bit. He just needed an excuse. Hitler was justifiably concerned about the industrial impact of US entry into the fray, and until Dec 1941 did what he could to avoid inciting us.
scale of British propaganda operations in the United States.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:50 am to OBReb6
Your incredibly lengthy post is just plain wrong on multiple levels.
And, while I do not necessarily disagree that England needed us, it is not really up to debate that the entirety of Europe needed the US to defeat the nazis.
If there is any notion that hitler would not have done these 3 things, I cannot help you with history:
1. Take all of Europe
2. Win the war against Russia
3. Eradicate as many or all of the Jews and Russians while torturing these "subhumans" along the way.
Hitler needed England to stop fighting and no US involvement to accomplish that.
And, while I do not necessarily disagree that England needed us, it is not really up to debate that the entirety of Europe needed the US to defeat the nazis.
If there is any notion that hitler would not have done these 3 things, I cannot help you with history:
1. Take all of Europe
2. Win the war against Russia
3. Eradicate as many or all of the Jews and Russians while torturing these "subhumans" along the way.
Hitler needed England to stop fighting and no US involvement to accomplish that.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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Hitler would have made peace with England in a heartbeat. He offered. Several times, Both publicly and privately. If Rudolf Hess had succeeded in gaining an agreement in 1941, Hitler would have still been on board. The question of course, is how long would peace have lasted, and at what cost. The vast majority of historians credibly hold that the peace would have been an Indian Summer of sorts, ending shortly after the USSR was subjugated, if/when that occurred. Regardless, a British peace would have ceded nearly all of continental Europe to either Germany or the USSR, depending on the outcome of Barbarossa.
Exactly.
Hitler and Chamberlain agreed made a deal. Hitler and Stalin made a deal.
You are 100% correct. Any deal Hitler made would last as long as Hitler wanted it to last.
Hitler certainly would have invaded Russia. Japan certainly would have bombed Pearl. Britain was involved too as the Japs bombed Hong King, Singapore and elsewhere.
We still would have had WWII.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:26 pm to dafif
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If there is any notion that hitler would not have done these 3 things, I cannot help you with history:
1. Take all of Europe
They pretty much already had when they "allowed" the English army escape Dunkirk.
2. Win the war against Russia
By the time we entered the war, the majority of the German's were retreating back to Berlin. What was left of them.
3. Eradicate as many or all of the Jews and Russians while torturing these "subhumans" along the way.
Who are these "subhumans" you refer to? Are you implying that is a good thing?
Hitler needed England to stop fighting and no US involvement to accomplish that.
Well duh.., if that was truly their goal.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:29 pm to OBReb6
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No one denies the Nazi regime despised the Jews, and you can find plenty of documents stating they wanted to eradicate Jewry from the Reich well before the war, but I do not think that equals extermination in camps. It could mean deportation
So the camps just appeared out of nowhere and drew the Jews and others in like a magnet?
How could it mean deportation when Jews from other countries were put in camps? Where were they going to deport them to?
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:30 pm to doubleb
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We still would have had WWII.
If there was no WW1, there would have been no WW2.
How many here know why "The Great War", "The War to END all Wars" was even fought to begin with?
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:34 pm to doubleb
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We still would have had WWII.
Yep. Even in some alternate timeline where Hitler and Britain make peace in 1940, Japan still has agency and attacks both Britain and the United States in 1941. Japan and Germany were allies, Hitler honors his treaty with them and declares war on the United States. Britain responds by declaring war on Germany because it is now advantageous to do so.
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:37 pm to LookSquirrel
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If there was no WW1, there would have been no WW2.
Idiotic.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:37 pm to LookSquirrel
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How many here know why "The Great War", "The War to END all Wars" was even fought to begin with?
I do.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:43 pm to OBReb6
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No one denies the Nazi regime despised the Jews, and you can find plenty of documents stating they wanted to eradicate Jewry from the Reich well before the war, but I do not think that equals extermination in camps. It could mean deportation (and I believe that was their true prewar goal)
Dear lord man. You've been driven retarded.
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I just think the war was terrible and had terrible outcomes that continue to this day, and that it would arguably have been better had more been done to prevent it.
The Treaty of Versailles had far more to do with the war than ascribing blame to Churchill specifically, as Churchill represented just one interest group in the war. His individual actions didn't determine the geopolitical circumstances any more than any other country's leaders. They were all responding to a specific geopolitical situation that had its origins in a previous geopolitical situation and on and on. This is the way history works.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:44 pm to Lima Whiskey
You guys realize that Hitler actually attacked England, right?
His ultimate goals were the genocide of the Jews and Leibensraum to the East. Nothing would have stopped him but force. There was no way England or America could have remained “neutral” once the Axis powers were formed. Learn accurate history and ignore the crackpots. For some reason some incels are determined to trash Western Europe and America post-WWII
His ultimate goals were the genocide of the Jews and Leibensraum to the East. Nothing would have stopped him but force. There was no way England or America could have remained “neutral” once the Axis powers were formed. Learn accurate history and ignore the crackpots. For some reason some incels are determined to trash Western Europe and America post-WWII
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:44 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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Sweep Da Leg
Cope bitch.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:46 pm to RollTide1987
Who ran Europe mattered to the UK, they wanted a divided continent because it made them comparatively more powerful, but from a US perspective, as long as there was peace, I think it’s irrelevant.
Posting this because it’s connected to the overall topic
The Guardian is writing about how to measure how fascist someone is
After WW2 there’s a systematic effort to dismantle the underpinnings of our culture and it’s been very successful
We can come back from this, the ex Soviets states who experienced the same thing have, but we’ve got work to do
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The Guardian is writing about how to measure how fascist someone is
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This is the “F scale,” by another name. It’s an attempt to pathologize the traditional family, with a special focus on those with families with a strong father.
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Adherence to traditional societal norms. Obedience to authority. Hostility toward those who defy norms. Belief in rigid categories and myths. A focus on strength and dominance. Rejection of subjective and imaginative thinking.
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This is yet another reason to down the post war consensus. It’s not only about historical narratives it’s about the demonization or every facet of traditional life.
After WW2 there’s a systematic effort to dismantle the underpinnings of our culture and it’s been very successful
We can come back from this, the ex Soviets states who experienced the same thing have, but we’ve got work to do
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:53 pm to crazy4lsu
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Dear lord man. You've been driven retarded.
Very kind of the Nazi apologists to reveal themselves.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:55 pm to Lima Whiskey
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We can come back from this, the ex Soviets states who experienced the same thing have, but we’ve got work to do
Lol, if you believe that 'we' can come back from this, you can almost guarantee that the opposite will occur.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 1:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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Idiotic.
Oh really?
Max Nordau, co-founder of the World Zionist Organization was able to predict WWI in 1903:
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Let me tell you the following words as if I were showing you the rungs of a ladder leading upward and upward: Herzl, the Zionist Congress, the English Uganda proposition, the future world war, the peace conference – where with the help of England a free and Jewish Palestine will be created.”
In A Child of the Century, Ben Hecht wrote, “the Twentieth Century was cut off at its knees by World War One.”
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The method by which the United States was drawn into the war started on October 25, 1911, when Winston Churchill was appointed the First Lord of the Admiralty in England.
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Roosevelt is also on record as concluding that there was a conspiracy, at least in the United States. He once wrote to Colonel Edward Mandell House: “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson
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The next step in the maneuvering of the United States into the war came when the Cunard Lines, owner of the ocean liner, the Lusitania, turned the ship over to the First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. It now became a ship of the English Navy
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“As Secretary had anticipated, [b]the large banking interests were deeply interested in the World War because of wide opportunities for large profits.
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Winston Churchill, knew where every U-boat was in the vicinity of the English Channel that separated England and France.
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Woodrow Wilson's government was secretly plotting to involve the American people by having the Lusitania sunk. This was made public in the book The Intimate Papers of Colonel House, written by a supporter of the Colonel, who recorded a conversation between Colonel House and Sir Edward Grey of England, the Foreign Secretary of England:
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]On May 7, 1915, the Lusitania was sunk
So far we have Zionist working with Bankers who are using your boy Churchill to advance THEIR Interests with our blood.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 1:10 pm to 632627
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Very kind of the Nazi apologists to reveal themselves.
They have always been around and what is interesting is that they never seem to describe the political situation after WWI accurately. There was no broad liberal tradition of governance in Europe proper before WWI, so much so that the US can be considered the bastion of liberal democracy, as opposed to other systems such as monarchial models. The choice traditional conservatives (as in monarchists, militarists, etc.) had in the mid-1920's was either to try to reinstate the old model, which was politically achievable, or deal with the new model. Germany during the Weimar was a nascent republic, with no institutional traditions to keep it from changing again.
Kurt von Schleicher is a great example of the type of choice conservatives of that era had and his decision was that even mild social democracy was too far for traditional conservatives. It's even more illuminating to think that by siding with Hitler, von Schleicher did more to damage the goals of traditional conservatives than he would have if he had if he did nothing. The reaction to the Nazi's and fascism did more to damage traditional conservative institutions than any other ideology, and basically destroyed that line of political thought in Continental Europe and the UK for the rest of the century.
These dudes who support these fascist-adjacent measures will always lose, because they don't understand the basics of what they are fighting nor do they understand very much of human nature.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 1:11 pm to LookSquirrel
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Max Nordau, co-founder of the World Zionist Organization was able to predict WWI in 1903:
Lol
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So far we have Zionist working with Bankers who are using your boy Churchill to advance THEIR Interests with our blood.
Hell yeah.
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