re: The Sex Pistols had it right in 1975

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Thank you for admitting mainstream libertarianism are shills for the right, you’ll retract your statement that they are evenhanded now, yes?

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Eh, I didn't say any of that.

Surely they choose the right far more than the Left, but currently the Right shares more of the important ideals that Libertarians do. It's an obvious choice if one needs to be made. Unfortunately it's basically a 2 party system, so yes a choice has to be made.

But my initial statement said Libertarians are far more likely to question both sides than Lefty's or Righty's, if we're picking between political parties. I never said they were unquestionably even-handed.

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I bet you think Trump really loves America too don’t you?

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Hmmm... you started off this thread sounding sort of objective. This statement right here, sounds like you picked a side. This statement, would mean that you believe Trump doesn't love America.

I think Trump does. He's said it many times, way back before he was POTUS. Would you have objected to his love for the country then? Are you only objecting now because he's a POTUS with an R by his name?

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This statement, would mean that you believe Trump doesn't love America

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Trump loves himself, Ivanka, and money. In that order. That’s it. This was as obvious 30 years ago as it is today.

He’s been a celebrity con artist his entire adult life and you think he woke up one day and decided he wanted to give back to his country?

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libertarian in the vein of Chomsky

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Thanks for showing your ignorance

Chomsky is actually more of an idealistic anarchist but that’s splitting hairs.

If Manufacturing Consent came out today y’all would worship the ground he walks on.

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Short term effect driven by pushing us even deeper into deficit/debt than we already were.

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How so? Are you taking into affect the massive regulation cuts he's made?

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And the only solution he will propose is to take away health insurance for the poor and old.

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Well that's just flat out a lie. Now you are being partisan without facts. This is not a debatable talking point because there is no truth to it.

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And then he’ll turn around and give the pentagon a shitload more money for conventional weapons we’ll never use.

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Again, this sounds like more emotional drivel.

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Not for open borders at all but think we’re a) using more resources than we should to combat a problem that is largely invented by right wing media.

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Obama deported 2.5 million immigrants from across the border during his tenure. How is that a right wing invention?

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Wasting money on a wall is beyond stupid when the vast majority of illegals overstay their visas.

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Not really. A wall is just another impediment to cause illegals to think twice. Given the choice between no wall and a wall, incoming illegals would choose no wall. A wall is a barrier. To your 2nd point, that is solved by enforcing our immigration laws more strictly, which is happening. Remember the "no tolerance"?

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I am not a bash Trump just to bash Trump person.

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I'm not suggesting you are, but i think some of your above examples are devoid of facts.

I'm willing to debate more of his policies you do not like.

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Trump loves himself, Ivanka, and money. In that order. That’s it. This was as obvious 30 years ago as it is today.

He’s been a celebrity con artist his entire adult life and you think he woke up one day and decided he wanted to give back to his country?

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Again, nothing your speaking is fact. It's all emotions based on what "you think" you know. I think, by his actions and his words, that he does love America. America made him rich. Kind of hard not to love that country that has allowed him to prosper.

Who said I’m a patriot?

The left tells us on a daily basis that they are against freedom.

This country was born on the idea of freedom.

If you are against freedom, you are against America.

It’s that simple...common sense

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The left tells us on a daily basis that they are against freedom.

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Nice blanket, unqualified statement with nothing supporting it

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That it was some emergent crisis that needed a major boost in resources was the lie.

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Someone posted numbers a few days ago, we are averaging 650,000 + illegal entries into this country ever year. I don't know what your definition of crisis is, but i'd consider that a pretty good qualifier.

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It was all an invention to give the right another boogeyman to fear.

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Here's the thing:

1) we have laws, everyone must obey. Including immigration laws.
2) Most illegals are working low paying jobs.
3) A large portion of the poor Americans in this country work low paying jobs, if they have jobs.
4) If a business man can employ illegal for less money, American poverty increases. As poverty increases, welfare increases, medicare/medicaid, etc... Which all means, the American taxpayer must pay taxes to mitigate the damage the illegals have done.
5) These illegals are actually voting in American elections. I can go through the numbers, and post the many articles, but please don't make me. I don't have time to do that today. Don't tell me you don't believe illegals arent' voting in states like California, that do not have laws that require verification of voter ID other than the honor system...
6) So not only are my taxes increased, my vote is offset by people who can not legally vote.
In short, it's a big fricking problem.

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It’s not, it’s the GOP modus operandi to slash the social safety net and give more money to the military regardless of need

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Talking point, talking point, talking point...rabble rabble rabble. The "social safety net" is incredibly bloated, and is the largest spending category of the US economy. While i do believe the military spending could use a nice audit, i believe there are incredibly massive abuse in entitlement spending but the left refuse to budge on that. Why? If you are in agreement that both levels of spending need to be cut, then we can shake hands on this.
I do see, however, the value in military spending in regards to soldier benefits, weapons, and armor. The one thing our government should be spending money on is defense, but not at the rate we are doing. But we must have a modernized military with the best equipment.
I also believe that a safety net should exist. Not the bloated entitlement programs we have. But something there to help out disabled, recently unemployed, mentally handicapped, etc... Able bodied Americans who sit on the porch all day not looking for a job should not receive a penny of my tax dollars. That should be a requirement. If you are able bodied, you must show proof of trying to get employment. If a certain amount of time passes, then you are either evaluated for being mentally unfit, or your benefits end. No better motivator for employment than an empty stomach.

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Has nothing to do with increasing debt and deficit.

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It has everything to do with decreasing spending levels, which decreases deficit, which in turn slows our debt accumulation. Less regulations = less government oversight = less of my tax dollars going to agency xyz that issues permits/fines for abc. Frankly, i want to see more spending reforms from him. My question to you, were you concerned about spending when Obama rang up 15 trillion in debt? I sure as shite was.