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re: The room fell silent when Trump revealed why Americans pay 10X more for drugs than Europe
Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:40 am to i am dan
Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:40 am to i am dan
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We've known this for 20 years though.
Yep. This model is pretty much ingrained in our system and has been for a long time, and not unique to just the drug pricing. Even looking at Medicaid/Medicare, hospitals subsidize the services on those which they generally universally lose money on, with what they charge to the private insured patients.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:23 am to SG_Geaux
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Aren't we only one of two countries that allow drug companies to advertise?
Yep. The USA and New Zealand.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:46 am to TutHillTiger
The inflated costs for Americans are partly due to the cost fixing abroad and more heavily by massive inflation in healthcare costs for development and research.
The system basically is built to use US tax payer money to fund the fundamental/new research at a massive expense. Costs at the university and vendor levels are massively inflated.
Pharma companies then license or bu the technology rights outright from the research centers/institutions and run them through ridiculously expensive clinical trials.
Hospitals, Doctors and staff participating in those trials are ridiculously overpaid and in turn that cost is passed onto the consumer.
Add in that most drugs.therapies that go through trials cost a billion dollars each to get through testing with only 1 in 10 approved and you get $10 Billion per success drug just to get it legal to sell. Then add in bribing …. Errrr I mean … sales reps, marketing, and lobbying to get it out there and that number grows more.
While stopping other countries from using Americans to cover their cost fixing is part of the issue, another is getting these inflated costs down.
The system basically is built to use US tax payer money to fund the fundamental/new research at a massive expense. Costs at the university and vendor levels are massively inflated.
Pharma companies then license or bu the technology rights outright from the research centers/institutions and run them through ridiculously expensive clinical trials.
Hospitals, Doctors and staff participating in those trials are ridiculously overpaid and in turn that cost is passed onto the consumer.
Add in that most drugs.therapies that go through trials cost a billion dollars each to get through testing with only 1 in 10 approved and you get $10 Billion per success drug just to get it legal to sell. Then add in bribing …. Errrr I mean … sales reps, marketing, and lobbying to get it out there and that number grows more.
While stopping other countries from using Americans to cover their cost fixing is part of the issue, another is getting these inflated costs down.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:46 am to Placekicker
I am more concerned about insurance.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:48 am to TutHillTiger
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They said they needed the extra funds because of the massive cost of developing a new drug, research and development cost etc etc but like everything they say it’s a complete fricking lie.
Partially true. They take on the burden costs for manufacturing développement and clinical trials. That is still massive but you are right that academia funded by government develops most new therapies.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Are these price controls?
No. What Europe is doing is price controls. This is price control correction.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Foreign markets are mostly public and can only pay so much for meds with their national healthcare/insurance systems.
How is this different than Medicare/Medicaid?
We are broke. No more paying more so some liberal shithead in France can pay less.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Are these price controls?
Yes
Europe has price controls in place. As a result, drug manufacturers charge Americans, who have no such price controls, higher rates than they would otherwise to achieve margins that are acceptable to investors
Price controls on our end will raise prices in Europe and reduce them in the US. Ironically, price controls in this instance will improve price discovery. The current pricing is state influenced bullshite, where the US gets to play its typical role as sucker
Posted on 7/29/25 at 11:24 am to Placekicker
There is a bill, The Fair Prescription Drug Prices for Americans Act, introduced back in May that would address a lot of this. I don't think it has seen much movement.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 11:42 am to Geauxgurt
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academia funded by government develops most new therapies
This statement is false. Academia generally identifies viable drug targets, but the cost and execution of IND enabling experiments, ADME, tox, formulation and clinical trials are borne by Pharma.
When a drug is priced, that's all in there...along with the anticipated costs of litigation since every drug maker is sued by someone who takes their drug.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 2:56 pm to imjustafatkid
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No. What Europe is doing is price controls. This is price control correction.
So, Price controls
Posted on 7/29/25 at 2:57 pm to AGGIES
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Record profits in the medical industry.
We already have prices being controlled by the Medical Insurance companies.
We already have Hospitals price gouging customers (e.g. charging $50 for Advil).
The obvious answer is more competition and less monopolistic business practices.
Going full Bernie Sanders means you'll end up with shortages
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So, Price controls
Is this another situation where you act like you don't understand what Trump is doing and pretend you do? You know, like tariffs?
Do you intentionally go out of your way to make yourself look like a complete idiot in everything related to trade and economics? Surely this is a troll right?
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:07 pm to imjustafatkid
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Is this another situation where you act like you don't understand what Trump is doing
I know exactly what he's doing, you just dont like hearing it called what it is.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I know exactly what he's doing
You have shown, repeatedly, from the day Trump was elected, that you truly have no idea what he is doing.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:15 pm to imjustafatkid
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You have shown, repeatedly, from the day Trump was elected, that you truly have no idea what he is doing.
And we've seen repeatedly since the day he was elected that you will support every left wing because he becomes infatuated with.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:16 pm to Placekicker
How can you reveal something that everyone already knows?
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And we've seen repeatedly since the day he was elected that you will support every left wing because he becomes infatuated with.
Subsidizing socialized medicine in other countries by allowing them to implement price controls without a response is not "free market," you absolute moron. Implementing policies to address that issue is not "left wing."
ETA: This is actually a problem many on this board have been pointing out for years as something Obamacare could have ACTUALLY fixed as opposed to simply creating more problems by addressing an insurance system that was not broken.
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 4:22 pm
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