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re: The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:13 pm to Hawkeye95
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:13 pm to Hawkeye95
This administration is forcing people to either provide abortifacients and birth conrol to their employees or be heavily fined and jailed by the government. The dems have passed laws to fine and eventually jail Christian business owners if they refuse to participate in gay wedding (provide their services).
That's using government force to trample over the first amendment rights as well as private property rights.
That's using government force to trample over the first amendment rights as well as private property rights.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:13 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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How can blue laws not be restraint of trade?
They are. In my mind, the only behavior that should be prohibited by force (and after the fact, at that) should be violence against individuals or property. Whatever you can do without coercing someone else is fine and dandy, legally speaking.
ETA: Abortion is clearly the most difficult issue in terms of defining coercion or violence against another. I'm not really gung-ho for either viewpoint, and for the most part I try to bitch about more egregious uses of the state.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:14 pm to los angeles tiger
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This administration is forcing people to either provide abortifacients and birth conrol to their employees or be heavily fined and jailed by the government.
link for the jail thing, I haven't heard that.
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The dems have passed laws to fine and eventually jail Christian business owners if they refuse to participate in gay wedding (provide their services).
Link? The courts have certainly weighed in on this but no legislatures as far as I know.
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That's using government force to trample over the first amendment rights as well as private property rights.
I would be against forcing businesses to do this fwiw. makes no sense.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:15 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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How can blue laws not be restraint of trade?
Same applies for those that want more laws regarding gun sales.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:15 pm to Hawkeye95
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aren't most blue laws off the books?
growing up, you couldn't buy tampons on sunday where I lived. Craziness.
The few left are little more than quaint vestiges of pretty much purely LOCAL legislation.
But, they're always cited as the chief (and pretty much only) example of why we should be on the lookout for the great boogeyman that is supposedly the "religious right" in national elections.
For example, I think the only remaining statewide vestige of them in Louisiana has to do with car dealers. The HORROR!!!!
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:16 pm to goldennugget
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My guess is that the people complaining about the religious right and social conservatives see them as foaming at the mouth angry white trash redneck bible thumpers standing on street corners shouting that people who are gay or commit other sins are going to hell. People who viscously attack non-believers and sinners and show outright hate toward them. And that their Sunday Church services are like klan rallies, full of a pastor at a pulpit spewing hate and anger and a congregation loudly agreeing. AKA people view all people who are social conservatives as Westboro Baptist Church caricatures.
I think that is how you see people seeing you when in fact most people know that religious right, social cons are just people who want to tell others how to live. You're nice and caring is long as everyone acts according to how you believe...and your beliefs are represented in law.
The media covered Westboro because they were so outlandish.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:17 pm to Hawkeye95
I have posted this information many times and you can do a search for it on the net with "Christian bakers sued by gay couple for refusing to bake a wedding cake" or "Photographer in New Mexico sued by lesbians for refusing to photograph their commitment ceremony.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:17 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm as outspoken an atheist as there is on here, and I've never once suggested that the vast majority of the people I know who are Christians (and nearly everyone I know is, obviously) are not genuinely good people. Individually.
I understand but I scour other political sites and blogs and a common enemy between Republicans, Liberterians, Democrats, etc. is the religious right and social conservatives. Everyone likes to blame us for everything that goes wrong.
Republicans: "We would win more elections but the religious right is holding us back!"
Democrats: "The religious right represents everything wrong with our country today"
Libertarians: "A lot of us are fiscally conservative but the religious right turns us away from Republicans"
I don't think we are as evil as people make us out to be and definitely are not the source for all problems
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:18 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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The few left are little more than quaint vestiges of pretty much purely LOCAL legislation.
Perhaps we should come to an agreement on what blue laws are. Maybe I am not using the term correctly. Any law that directly prohibits certain personal behavior that does not violate somebody else (I'm not going to count economic regulation in this, though, even though by those standards it qualifies). Is that fair, or are you thinking of something more specific?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:18 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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But, they're always cited as the chief (and pretty much only) example of why we should be on the lookout for the great boogeyman that is supposedly the "religious right" in national elections.
I do worry if we actually got a legislature that were true social conservatives, but I don't think that is much of a risk. Those types just don't run enough to make a dent, and usually stick their foot in their mouths if they do run.
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For example, I think the only remaining statewide vestige of them in Louisiana has to do with car dealers. The HORROR!!!!
I bet that car dealers support it too.
They don't want to be open on Sunday, and aren't where I live. 
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:19 pm to los angeles tiger
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I have posted this information many times and you can do a search for it on the net with "Christian bakers sued by gay couple for refusing to bake a wedding cake" or "Photographer in New Mexico sued by lesbians for refusing to photograph their commitment ceremony.
sued is not jail, and not a legislative activity. I didn't think you had a link
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:20 pm to Hawkeye95
Their lawsuits are only possible based off of existing legislation.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:20 pm to HempHead
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Is that fair, or are you thinking of something more specific?
Restrictions on sales of liquor and Sunday closing laws, are what I think of specifically when I think of "blue laws."
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:21 pm to cwill
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You're nice and caring is long as everyone acts according to how you believe...and your beliefs are represented in law.
What about some factual events like what I've posted about private business owers that don't do as the lgbt groups demand? I haven't seen Christians going to gay owned businesses and suing them for what we are seeing by gays and pro-abortion lobby.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:22 pm to cwill
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You're nice and caring is long as everyone acts according to how you believe
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:22 pm to HempHead
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Their lawsuits are only possible based off of existing legislation.
no, you can sue someone pretty much for anything. It might be based off legislation or it might not. Without a link, I won't know.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:22 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Fair enough.
Obviously, all of those are, as you said, made by local jurisdictions. There are still many places in the South that do not sell alcohol at all, but I don't know of many Sunday closing laws.
Obviously, all of those are, as you said, made by local jurisdictions. There are still many places in the South that do not sell alcohol at all, but I don't know of many Sunday closing laws.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:23 pm to Y.A. Tittle
In many California cities it is now illegal for you to smoke a cigarette in your own condo (you bought and paid for) yet it is okay to light up a joint on the street and in your home. That was brought to us by the left, not the right.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:23 pm to HempHead
What else would you think they encompass?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:23 pm to HempHead
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Obviously, all of those are, as you said, made by local jurisdictions. There are still many places in the South that do not sell alcohol at all, but I don't know of many Sunday closing laws.
where I live, you can't serve booze on sunday unless you also serve food. I would consider this to be a blue law, but most bars serve food so its not a big deal.
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