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re: The "racial impact" on the war on drugs.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:43 pm to cave canem
Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:43 pm to cave canem
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please elaborate on how fines cost the taxpayers money
Govt picks up the cost of their court ordered treatment in many cases. Most are done on a sliding scale, with big brother picking up the slack
What in the heck do these two things have to do with each other?
A good part of their probation, which he referred to, is treatment which the taxpayer covers in many cases.
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:45 pm to cave canem
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overflowing with inmates only charged with possession is dishonest.
Certainly doesn't help the overcrowding issue, or the backlog in court cases.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:47 pm to TheHiddenFlask
See the thread on the OT
Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Many blacks in the inner city promote the rap culture image. Rap culture promotes drug use so the bias and stereotype is that these characters have drugs on them at least if not dealing.
You don't think of a suburban dad dealing his pain pills to his golf buddies as your typical drug dealer.
While typing this I developed a question in my mind. White culture and it's music like country and rock promote parties and drinking. What's the racial breakdown on DUIs and maybe bar type fights. From my experience I see a lot more whites get hit with DUI. Maybe it's just my perception.
I feel like law enforcement patrols based on the stereotypes of races and neighborhoods and the culture in place.
You don't think of a suburban dad dealing his pain pills to his golf buddies as your typical drug dealer.
While typing this I developed a question in my mind. White culture and it's music like country and rock promote parties and drinking. What's the racial breakdown on DUIs and maybe bar type fights. From my experience I see a lot more whites get hit with DUI. Maybe it's just my perception.
I feel like law enforcement patrols based on the stereotypes of races and neighborhoods and the culture in place.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:58 pm to WalkingTurtles
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I feel like law enforcement patrols based on the stereotypes of races and neighborhoods and the culture in place.
I mean, this happens for a reason.
I have long hair and a beard. I drive an old Mercedes diesel with band stickers on the back.
It's pretty reasonable for law enforcement to assume that I have drugs. I don't drive with them, because I'm not stupid, but I get it.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 6:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Certainly doesn't help the overcrowding issue, or the backlog in court cases
Agreed but throwing out huge dishonest numbers is not going to help anything. Claiming 40%+ when in reality it is closer to 4% is as dishonest as it gets. I would be interested to know how many of those 55,000 were repeat offenders and locked up for more than simple possession ie: that was the last straw. The government is NEVER going to let up on dealers anymore than they let up on moonshiners, it will be a tax issue legal or not. Using non-violent as a stat is idiocy considering burglary, car theft and fraud are non violent.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 6:03 pm to HempHead
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It's pretty reasonable for law enforcement to assume that I have drugs. I don't drive with them, because I'm not stupid, but I get it.
This man understands how not to go to jail
Posted on 8/12/14 at 6:59 pm to cave canem
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Agreed but throwing out huge dishonest numbers is not going to help anything. Claiming 40%+ when in reality it is closer to 4% is as dishonest as it gets
Well, about 700,000 people are arrested for pot (distributing/possession) each year. 1% of those arrested for possession do jail time. Harder drugs, it's a lot higher.
Investigating, arresting people for pot is expensive and time consuming. It creates a process whether there's jail time or not, and some folks end up having to go through "re-education" classes which cost the taxpayer in many cases. It's ridiculous.
The chances of a poor minority faring worse than a wealthier person of any race is much higher and there's most likely a fairly strong correlation between more harsh treatment in the system and financial resources.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 7:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Well, about 700,000 people are arrested for pot (distributing/possession) each year. 1% of those arrested for possession do jail time. Harder drugs, it's a lot higher
1% or 7,000 people nationwide is statistically insignificant, most of these are distribution as well.
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Investigating, arresting people for pot is expensive and time consuming. It creates a process whether there's jail time or not, and some folks end up having to go through "re-education" classes which cost the taxpayer in many cases. It's ridiculous
100% agree locking up people for possession of pot is a senseless waste of resources
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The chances of a poor minority faring worse than a wealthier person of any race is much higher and there's most likely a fairly strong correlation between more harsh treatment in the system and financial resources
Don't be poor, a wealthy or even working class minority aint going to jail for possession unless they are idiots. Show up to court, pay your fine, and go home. Be a knucklehead and skip court, ignore your fine and go to jail. It really is that simple. being POOR in the US is a choice not a sentence.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 7:17 pm to cave canem
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Well, about 700,000 people are arrested for pot (distributing/possession) each year. 1% of those arrested for possession do jail time. Harder drugs, it's a lot higher
1% or 7,000 people nationwide is statistically insignificant, most of these are distribution as well.
You don't read very well. I highlighted for you. Also, it's much higher for "harder drugs."
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Investigating, arresting people for pot is expensive and time consuming. It creates a process whether there's jail time or not, and some folks end up having to go through "re-education" classes which cost the taxpayer in many cases. It's ridiculous
100% agree locking up people for possession of pot is a senseless waste of resources
For any victimless crime, it's a waste of resources.
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The chances of a poor minority faring worse than a wealthier person of any race is much higher and there's most likely a fairly strong correlation between more harsh treatment in the system and financial resources
Don't be poor,
Holy fricking shite.
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a wealthy or even working class minority aint going to jail for possession unless they are idiots. Show up to court, pay your fine, and go home. Be a knucklehead and skip court, ignore your fine and go to jail. It really is that simple. being POOR in the US is a choice not a sentence.
Well, we can pretty much dismiss you from now on. Many are poor because of circumstance. A 17 year old still living with parents doesn't have much of a choice.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 7:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Also, it's much higher for "harder drugs."
Do you have a problem with this?
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Well, we can pretty much dismiss you from now on. Many are poor because of circumstance. A 17 year old still living with parents doesn't have much of a choice
Here you go with your strawmen again, please link a single 17 year old in the history of the US doing hard time for simple possesion. If you could stop being a drama queen for just one second you would realize we are of the same opinion on most drug laws. How the argument if framed is where our opinions differ.
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