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re: The president says "go get the vaccine."

Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:03 pm to
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why must I "risk" taking a vaccine that was rushed out to establish antibodies I already have?


I already said its not a 'must', but regardless of putting words in my mouth the vax risk is still insignificant. the benefit is improved defense against the virus because an informed person understands antibodies don't last forever. very simple concept. benefit still greatly outweighs the risk. thats how low the risk is even compared to the low risk of covid.


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I work in the field of radiology. I forgot more about x-ray than you think you might know. What I am simply getting at is that, at one time, in x-ray's infancy, it was thought there was no risk associated with them. They used x-ray for fun basically until a good friend of Edison died from it (Clarence Dally, first documented death due to radiation). Yes, x-ray is now safe because exposure thresholds and strict regulation was enacted after much studying of radiation and its effects. We still however operate in a "Linear no-threshold (LNT) manner", simply meaning that we create as little exposure as possible to the population.


lol I was not referring to the very first vaccines ever given. much like Xrays, vaccines have undergone improvement, have standards, and are used safely. Your logic seems to expect that xray improvements lead to more long term side effects. maybe try to base reasoning off of more recent happenings than the 1890 era
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:06 pm to
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First - its not a vaccine- its an experimental drug with an emergency approval. Just get the facts straight.



it quite literally fits the definition of a vaccine.

Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2965 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:11 pm to
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 benefit is improved defense against the virus because an informed person understands antibodies don't last forever. very simple concept.


Here again, you aren't too bright but I'll entertain.

They "the experts" still don't know how long antibodies will be around from the vaccine and are kicking around the idea of "boosters"

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lol I was not referring to the very first vaccines ever given. much like Xrays, vaccines have undergone improvement, have standards, and are used safely. 


These vaccines are the first of their kind being widely used as they are mRNA vaccines.

We don't know the long term effects much like when we first started playing around with x-ray. That's what I was getting at by using it as analogy but you're too dumb to grasp that
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 10:12 pm
Posted by ElleEsEwe
Member since Sep 2018
225 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:53 pm to
Because those antibodies you’re boasting about have what appears to be a pretty short shelf life. Guess you don’t read much from reputable medical sources.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:57 pm to
Moderna anticipates immunity to last at least two years.

Just because antibodies dwindle doesn’t mean youve lost all benefit from a vaccine
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11351 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 6:30 am to
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Y’all probably were being scared and placebo effected yourself some side effects.


The guy that needs a vaccine for a mild flu with a 99.9% survival rate is calling other people scared. That's rich.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
17458 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 6:49 am to
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Trump was tv last night


On a “””””news”””””” channel? Makes it a zero chance I saw him then.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 7:37 am to
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They "the experts" still don't know how long antibodies will be around from the vaccine and are kicking around the idea of "boosters"



Yes. Because those with basic knowledge understand antibodies dont last forever.it makes sense that getting more at a later point would increase the range of protection. It’s very simple. Your flawed logic applied is like you had a tank of gas you would never stop to fill up gas because you don”t exactly know how many miles your tank will give.
You don’t understand the benefit how on earth could you analyze risk vs benefit.

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These vaccines are the first of their kind being widely used as they are mRNA vaccines. We don't know the long term effects much like when we first started playing around with x-ray. That's what I was getting at by using it as analogy but you're too dumb to grasp that


No you’re too dumb to make a meaningful point. They learned how X-rays worked and used them differently as they improved. They can predict what potential long term side effects would be. Youll never get a heart attack from an X-ray, and a vax won’t give you autism. It’s a tweaked delivery system it’s not all new tech. Despite memes you’ve read it has been well studied and has given us no data to suggest it would behave differently than vaccines we currently use. You have no proposed/theoretical mechanism for a long term side effect, you only have a misguided sense of risk and no sense of possible benefit.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:01 am to
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The guy that needs a vaccine for a mild flu with a 99.9% survival rate is calling other people scared. That's rich.


Lol nice putting words in my mouth to make up some strawman. I'm never said to be scared of covid, I am saying being scared of the vaccine is even more irrational. But i don't expect you anti vaxxer folks to be the most logically sound anyway it's gotta be tough living so emotionally.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
8341 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:07 am to
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Medical Risk vs benefit is something you’re obviously clueless about. Even if you believe about 1% fatality rate for the virus, the vaccines are still much safer.


•Extremely high survival rate on Covid-19, why take the risk?
•Flu shot statistics prove they are not effective at reducing flu risk.
•Pharma, Clinical Trial & Regulators have same ties and interests, trial data is questionable.
•mRNA has been an unsuccessful technology for 30 years, all the sudden we have a miracle and we should accept it without questioning its validity?
•The elite never cared about your health, what changed?
•IT IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MEASURE LONG TERM SIDE EFFECTS, DATA ISN’T AVAILABLE.
•These viruses mutate every season, by the time you take the shot the virus would have mutated.



Posted by TotalPotato
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2018
151 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:10 am to
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The president says "go get the vaccine."


The 45th FORMER president (He LOST!) says "go get the vaccine."

Fixed it for you.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:16 am to
You need better data than propaganda memes. You post data that is easily verified to be false. If you manage to post non-fake data I may reconsider your position
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38346 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:21 am to
You can find anything you want your narrative to be on the internet:

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“An unpublished study conducted by the Israeli Health Ministry and Pfizer showed that vaccination reduced transmission by 89% to 94% and almost totally prevented hospitalization and death, according to press reports,” Makary said. “Immunity kicks in fully about four weeks after the first vaccine dose, and then you are essentially bulletproof.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wsj-cdc-vaccine-back-normal
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2965 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:30 am to
It's really cute that you are so trusting. I admire your repeating of the rhetoric that's been shoved down our throats.

A group of elites who have showed you their hand many times have proven that they aren't looking out for our best interests, yet you are sitting here giving us all of these great reasons on why we should all just take a vaccine for something 99% of us get over in 3 days. Some of us didn't even run a fever. The guidance and information has constantly been changing on everything regarding this virus but I'm supposed to believe they are right on this now.

I get it, you're smarter than us and I'm the dumb one for not wanting to blindly take what they have told me is safe. NOTHING in medicine is 100% safe for all in a population.

My body my choice. I won't be taking it and you've already stated you respect that so we can agree on that.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
8341 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:39 am to
In an open letter to WHO and in a follow-up video interview, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, says that by vaccinating everyone with a vaccine that doesn’t prevent transmission, we are destroying people’s immune systems, and setting the stage for a global health disaster.

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The second problem is the immune system problem known as pathogenic priming or a cytokine storm. What happens is that the immune system of the person who has been vaccinated will be primed to respond in a very dramatic way if that individual comes into contact with the virus in the future. The result can be catastrophic and this is what I fear will happen in the autumn and during next winter. The people who had the vaccine are going to be in real trouble when they next come into contact with a coronavirus. Their immune systems will overreact and that’s likely to be when there will be lots of deaths.

Patients haven’t been officially warned about this problem although the evidence was published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice for October 2020. The paper is entitled `Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of covid-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease.’

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/virologist-huge-price-covid-mass-vaccination/
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:40 am to
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My body my choice. I won't be taking it and you've already stated you respect that so we can agree on that.


Agreed. But you said it was for risk vs benefit reasons. But the Risk vs benefit greatly favors getting the vaccine. My beef is more with you erroneously fear mongering the vaccine while diminishing or ignoring the benefit. Don’t get it if you want but don’t pretend the data fits your narrative.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
8341 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:43 am to
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Virologist Geert Vanden Bossche has nothing against vaccines. In fact, he worked for Gavi, The Vaccine Alliance and Gates Foundation, but he says by vaccinating everyone with a vaccine that doesn’t prevent transmission, we are destroying people’s immune systems, and setting the stage for a global health disaster.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/virologist-huge-price-covid-mass-vaccination/

Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:44 am to
You still need better sources than propaganda
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38706 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 8:51 am to
Too expensive for me to drive over there and get it now
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
8341 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 9:02 am to
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You still need better sources than propaganda


Quoting Virologist Geert Vanden Bossche is propaganda? Because you know more than a virologist that has created vaccines?
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