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re: The pendulum is swinging hard in the other direction!
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:12 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:12 pm to Squirrelmeister
That's interesting.
I'm actually starting a personal project on religions in the Middle East and these transformations. On my laptop I have like 4 open tabs for the OGs.
I'm actually starting a personal project on religions in the Middle East and these transformations. On my laptop I have like 4 open tabs for the OGs.
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's interesting. I'm actually starting a personal project on religions in the Middle East and these transformations. On my laptop I have like 4 open tabs for the OGs.
The mythology is so interesting. Wait until you start learning some Greek and Hebrew words and learning about all the Israelite gods such as Baal, Asherah, El Elyon, Nehushtan, Dagan, Shemesh, Shahar, Shalim, and many more.
The cities of ancient Israel - their names - will start to make sense. Look at a map of ancient Israel and understand that “Beth” means temple.
Beth-Peor is a temple of (Baal) Peor
Beth-Shemesh is a temple of Shemesh the sun god. The demigod Samson (Shemshon) hero of “Judges” fame is the son of Shemesh.
Beth-El was the temple of El the high god and father of all the gods.
Jerusalem (Yerushalim) was the rock of Shalim the sunset god.
You have to be careful when reading in the Bible about important people. Particularly when they are described as a “son of” (some deity).
So and so son of Nahash (Nehustan was a snake god who had healing properties and had an altar for him in the Jerusalem temple that supposedly Hezekiah destroyed)
So and so son of Hadad (like the king of Assyria) was the son of Baal Hadad. Hadad was also the secret name of Yahweh that only the high priest would utter once a year in the holy of holies during the Yom Kippur day of atonement.
Compilers and editors took all the old stories after the return of the “exiles” from Babylon and created new and better stories. When they had two heroes who were rooted in the same myths (Moses verses Joshua) they had to make up even more stories to harmonize them. It really is fascinating.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:26 pm to Squirrelmeister
Oh crap! Here we go again. This thread has awakened the demon. Be prepared for the vile hate to come.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:37 pm to yakster
Hell will have a thousand PT sites, and slofro wont have a keyboard
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Threads like this are why it will swing back.
I bet you love to watch your woman with the “bull”
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is the GOP version of blue haired trannies. It ultimately turns off normies and they swing back to the DEMs, until the DEMs permit their crazies to become too associated with the party.
To compare Christians to trannies is a bit much. Christians (nosy ones) want to curb your enthusiasm for “sin.” Trannies (all the ones I know
) want to mutilate children’s genitalia. We are not the same. What’s really interesting is that when you and “normies” are faced with the two, the Christian is a problem at all. Why is that? Seriously. quote:
Keeping people like OP in the shadows and marginalized is how we push the DEMs into the background for a longer period of time.
That’s your motivation for marginalizing Christians? You think that we’re all going to agree with each other and run off “the normies?” Have you met more than one Christian?
We can’t even agree on whether or not it’s ok to murder a child in the womb. Keeping “people like OP” in the shadows and marginalizied is what got us here in the first place. You could probably use your supreme intellect to deduce that the ratio of trannies is proportional to marginalizing of Christianity.
I get what you’re saying- that “normies” are just as tuned off by exuberant Christianity as they are by trannies. I don’t think you’re wrong. I just think that a person calling Trump Moses on a message board is a little less a reason to clutch pearls than a mentally disturbed tranny reading to children. I also would expect “normies” to come to the same conclusion.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:58 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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I am a Christian a follower of Lord Jesus Christ is King
The non believer wants to berate you and snicker at your beliefs because they believe it is a fairytale for the dolted commoner. While they themselves belong to a death cult centered around the worship of an ideology of lies constructed by the elite. The non believer would rather sacrifice humanity for the good of themselves where as a Christian would rather sacrifice themselves for the good of Humanity.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:01 pm to Neutral Underground
Nothing foreshadows failure like holding exaggerated expectations and expecting quick solutions. This can be the start of a long overdue cultural correction, say 150 years overdue, in regards to central power and the states and the idea of individual liberty....or it could be some MAGAbot overreach prompting a pushback in 2 years and total defeat in 4. We need to be practical and methodological securing long term change.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:13 pm to hansenthered1
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Magabot over reach
Yes, going from one extreme to another would probably cause a radical reaction to reach an equilibrium. It's a good thing that MAGA aren't the extremists that anyone Left of a Classical Liberal believes they are. Because of how MAGA is portrayed by the Mainstream media.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:52 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Fairy tale. There were trade routes between Egypt and Canaan. All they had to do was follow the coast.
Talk about a backseat driver!
Maybe there was a wreck on the spillway. 
I wasn’t there. Oh wait- neither were you. quote:
Moses is “son of” in Egyptian. Son of whom?
Funny, that’s exactly what pharaoh’s daughter said when she found him. When she opened it, she saw the child, and behold, the boy was crying. And she had pity on him and said, “This is one of the Hebrews’ children.”
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The child grew, and she brought him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. And she named him Moses, and said, “Because I drew him out of the water.”
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Joshua son of Nun. What is Nun?
The father of Joshua. What do I win?
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The fish.
The fish? Nun is the Aramaic word for fish.
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Another way to say fish in Hebrew is “Dag”. Joshua was a folk hero, a demigod who was the son of Dagon the fish god.
Front walkover to a back handspring? Maybe Nun’s dad really liked fish? I don’t know. Neither do you.
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Dagon was worshipped throughout Canaan as a minor deity and was the patron deity of the Peleset (philistines).
The Israelites were known for their idolatry. They had Aaron make them a golden calf because Moses was taking too long. This is a non issue.
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Both Moses and Joshua led Egypt out of Egypt into Canaan. Both had to take off their shoes because they were standing on holy ground. Both parted a body of water so that people could cross. The parallels don’t end there.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:59 pm to Prodigal Son
Thank you, Prodigal!
I’d like to know where this squirrel person got his degree in Biblical studies from.There are so many lies and falsifications and exagerations in his statements I don’t know where to begin to address them. Perhaps he got his knowledge of Biblical history and language from some atheistic cartoon book attempting to make fun of biblical history.
And to the liberal clowns who think this squirrel person knows anything about Biblical Theology or history, think again. He doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about. He’s just another Liberal fool.
Oh, squirrel person, if you’d like to compare degrees in biblical studies, I’ll compare mine with yours any day.
I’d like to know where this squirrel person got his degree in Biblical studies from.There are so many lies and falsifications and exagerations in his statements I don’t know where to begin to address them. Perhaps he got his knowledge of Biblical history and language from some atheistic cartoon book attempting to make fun of biblical history.
And to the liberal clowns who think this squirrel person knows anything about Biblical Theology or history, think again. He doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about. He’s just another Liberal fool.
Oh, squirrel person, if you’d like to compare degrees in biblical studies, I’ll compare mine with yours any day.
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:20 am to Prodigal Son
Hey PS, I hope you had a great Christmas and New Year’s with your family and friends.
Well I guess it is moot anyway since there is no archaeological or scientific evidence for a biblical exodus, but much evidence against such a thing. But there were trade routes and roads more or less throughout the region including the Red Sea and Sinai areas. And there were people living there… they could have asked for directions. Even if there was a mass exodus of Jews from Egypt, the 40 year wandering in the desert is stupid, and is just an invention of biblical compilers to try to keep both Moses and Joshua in their fairy tales.
And we all know damn well that Moshe does not mean “to draw out” and it is the ending of an Egyptian theophoric name such as Thutmoses and Rameses. That character in the story had his name changed when it became embarrassing for the Israelites to have their folk hero named after a god they were no longer supposed to be worshipping.
Both Joshua and Moses were non-historical mythical characters who were compounds of other myths, and there was much overlap between the two Moses and Joshua compound characters. Both Moses and Joshua were demigods in pre-biblical myths and were “sons of” their respective deity father. Moses was the son of some Egyptian god while Joshua was the son of Dagan the deity that was like a merman- upper body in the image of a human and lower body in the image of a fish tail. Much of Moses’ myths were based on myths of King Sargon of Akkad. There are some exceptions but most of the time, when the Bible refers to a “son of”, the father being attributed to them is some deity.
1 Kings 20:1
“Ben Hadad” means “son of Hadad”. He didn’t have a father named Hadad. Hadad was the name of their patron deity who they also called “Baal” (Lord). This is just one example.
Nun is what some Canaanites called “Dagon”. Yes it is the Aramaic word for “fish”.
It’s all based on you know, archaeological evidence of Israel and Judah and Gaza and parallel myths found in the Ugaritic library at Ras Shamra.
They were idolatrous - the worship of the entire Canaanite pantheon in Israel and Judea was thriving until around 150BC. There were hilltop shrines to all the different deities all over the place and archaeologists have confirmed they were being used until around 150BC.
Aaron wasn’t a historical person and so he didn’t make a golden calf. We now know that that portion of the story was borrowed from other stories of the golden bulls (both of them) that were present at Beth-El (the temple of El) and at another city north of Gaza called Dan (the Danuna or Danites were a Mycenaean Greek tribe who settled there after they and the Peleset lost a war with Egypt and they later allied with the Israelites in reality). “Here are your Elohim (plural) Oh Israel” was ripped off from the book of Kings when the author of Exodus was crafting his story. In the book of Kings, there are two golden bulls so to refer to them in plural makes sense. But in Exodus, Aaron only makes one bull but uses the language of the book of Kings when referring to his singular bull.
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Talk about a backseat driver! Maybe there was a wreck on the spillway. I wasn’t there. Oh wait- neither were you.
Well I guess it is moot anyway since there is no archaeological or scientific evidence for a biblical exodus, but much evidence against such a thing. But there were trade routes and roads more or less throughout the region including the Red Sea and Sinai areas. And there were people living there… they could have asked for directions. Even if there was a mass exodus of Jews from Egypt, the 40 year wandering in the desert is stupid, and is just an invention of biblical compilers to try to keep both Moses and Joshua in their fairy tales.
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And she named him Moses, and said, “Because I drew him out of the water.”
And we all know damn well that Moshe does not mean “to draw out” and it is the ending of an Egyptian theophoric name such as Thutmoses and Rameses. That character in the story had his name changed when it became embarrassing for the Israelites to have their folk hero named after a god they were no longer supposed to be worshipping.
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The father of Joshua. What do I win?
Both Joshua and Moses were non-historical mythical characters who were compounds of other myths, and there was much overlap between the two Moses and Joshua compound characters. Both Moses and Joshua were demigods in pre-biblical myths and were “sons of” their respective deity father. Moses was the son of some Egyptian god while Joshua was the son of Dagan the deity that was like a merman- upper body in the image of a human and lower body in the image of a fish tail. Much of Moses’ myths were based on myths of King Sargon of Akkad. There are some exceptions but most of the time, when the Bible refers to a “son of”, the father being attributed to them is some deity.
1 Kings 20:1
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Ben-hadad the king of Syria gathered all his army together. Thirty-two kings were with him, and horses and chariots. And he went up and closed in on Samaria and fought against it.
“Ben Hadad” means “son of Hadad”. He didn’t have a father named Hadad. Hadad was the name of their patron deity who they also called “Baal” (Lord). This is just one example.
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The fish? Nun is the Aramaic word for fish.
Nun is what some Canaanites called “Dagon”. Yes it is the Aramaic word for “fish”.
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Front walkover to a back handspring? Maybe Nun’s dad really liked fish? I don’t know. Neither do you.
It’s all based on you know, archaeological evidence of Israel and Judah and Gaza and parallel myths found in the Ugaritic library at Ras Shamra.
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The Israelites were known for their idolatry. They had Aaron make them a golden calf because Moses was taking too long. This is a non issue.
They were idolatrous - the worship of the entire Canaanite pantheon in Israel and Judea was thriving until around 150BC. There were hilltop shrines to all the different deities all over the place and archaeologists have confirmed they were being used until around 150BC.
Aaron wasn’t a historical person and so he didn’t make a golden calf. We now know that that portion of the story was borrowed from other stories of the golden bulls (both of them) that were present at Beth-El (the temple of El) and at another city north of Gaza called Dan (the Danuna or Danites were a Mycenaean Greek tribe who settled there after they and the Peleset lost a war with Egypt and they later allied with the Israelites in reality). “Here are your Elohim (plural) Oh Israel” was ripped off from the book of Kings when the author of Exodus was crafting his story. In the book of Kings, there are two golden bulls so to refer to them in plural makes sense. But in Exodus, Aaron only makes one bull but uses the language of the book of Kings when referring to his singular bull.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:30 am to Tigerinthewoods
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I’d like to know where this squirrel person got his degree in Biblical studies from
My degrees are in STEM fields. Ancient history is interesting to me so I read a lot.
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There are so many lies and falsifications and exagerations in his statements I don’t know where to begin to address them
There are none. But if you’d like to pick one topic you think I’ve lied about, let’s discuss.
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He doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about. He’s just another Liberal fool
Guess you haven’t read any of my posts in this forum or outdoors forum. This calls into question your own credibility.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:34 am to Prodigal Son
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What’s really interesting is that when you and “normies” are faced with the two, the Christian is a problem at all. Why is that? Seriously.
Weirdos are perceived as being weirdos by normies.
This isn't complicated.
This isn't about all Christians, just the extremist weirdo version like OP. I understand they think they're normal, but normal people see them as abnormal.
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You could probably use your supreme intellect to deduce that the ratio of trannies is proportional to marginalizing of Christianity.
There are many, many more extremist/weirdo Christians than trannies, which is what makes them scarier to normal people.
Most normal people have had experience with these types of Christians and their preferred authoritarianism.
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. I just think that a person calling Trump Moses on a message board is a little less a reason to clutch pearls than a mentally disturbed tranny reading to children. I also would expect “normies” to come to the same conclusion.
Weirdos are weirdos.
The scary extremist religious type isn't the only one on the right, also. The werido CT types create the same buzz for normies, just as the Left has more than blue haired trannies that annoy normies when they feel like they're i n power.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:05 am to Squirrelmeister
I have a masters degree in Biblical theology and history with emphasis on Biblical Greek and Hebrew from a well known theological seminary. While I still do not consider myself an I expert, I will say without equivocation that most of the things you have stated as fact are indeed not fact. There are so many errors in the claims that you made that, as I said, I wouldn’t know where to begin to discuss anything with you. Your bias shows without question. I would advise anyone that wants to know anything about the Bible and what it says not to take anything you say seriously. It is quite obvious that you have not studied the Bible, but have rather studied what someone with an agenda has to say about the false gods and demons that are mentioned in it.
The liberals like yourself on this board have no interest in truth but rather in lies and prevarication. They worship the father of lies and his servants like George Soros.
Jesus himself when he was being tempted by the devil in the desert did not entertain a discussion with the father of lies. He quoted scripture. I’ll do the same with you and your brethren on this board. Tell your Lies to God, and suffer his judgment:
Pro 6:16-19 ESV - 16 There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
The liberals like yourself on this board have no interest in truth but rather in lies and prevarication. They worship the father of lies and his servants like George Soros.
Jesus himself when he was being tempted by the devil in the desert did not entertain a discussion with the father of lies. He quoted scripture. I’ll do the same with you and your brethren on this board. Tell your Lies to God, and suffer his judgment:
Pro 6:16-19 ESV - 16 There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 9:01 am
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:13 am to Tigerinthewoods
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I have a masters degree in Biblical theology and history with emphasis on Biblical Greek and Hebrew from a well known theological seminary. While I still do not consider myself an I expert, I will say without equivocation that most of the things you have stated as fact are indeed not fact. There are so many errors in the claims that you made that, as I said, I wouldn’t know where to begin to discuss anything with you.
If we are going to ignore the fallacy of appeal to authority, let’s take a guy like Dr. Bart Ehrman. Way more degrees and certs and books and peer reviewed papers than you, and yet he would mostly agree with my statements.
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I wouldn’t know where to begin to discuss anything with you.
Try to pick just one thing I stated you say is a lie. Start there. Provide evidence to counter my assertions,
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false gods and demons that are discussed in it.
To the biblical authors, these “false gods” and demons really do/did exist as Elohim / deities / archons / rulers / powers and principalities and they did have power in heaven and earth.
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The liberals like yourself
You’re the liberal blue haired bitch, not me.
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They worship the father of lies and his servants like George Soros.
Check my post history, dumbass.
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Jesus himself when he was being tempted by the devil in the desert
The creator of the cosmos was tempted by a being that he created. Good story.
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He quoted scripture
“Jesus” also rejected that same scripture depending on which gospel you are reading… the very same scripture you would probably argue that he himself inspired.
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There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
Damn dude Yahweh must hate himself! He puts lying spirits in the tongues of the prophets. He commanded the mass genocide and slaughter of innocent babies and young virgin girls. He plagues the Egyptians and kills their firstborn not to try to convert them to Yahweh-worship, but just to be an evil dick so he could show them how powerful he is. He certainly is a hypocrite and doesn’t set a good example.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:45 am to Squirrelmeister
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Damn dude Yahweh must hate himself! He puts lying spirits in the tongues of the prophets. He commanded the mass genocide and slaughter of innocent babies and young virgin girls. He plagues the Egyptians and kills their firstborn not to try to convert them to Yahweh-worship, but just to be an evil dick so he could show them how powerful he is. He certainly is a hypocrite and doesn’t set a good example.
This tells me everything that I need to know about you, squirrel person.
Death will come for both of us one day. I believe in a loving God who will meet me at that moment. I believe that He has reconciled my sinfulness through the sacrifice that His Son made. You don’t believe these things, you have the right to do so. I wish you well.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:13 am to Tigerinthewoods
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This tells me everything that I need to know about you, squirrel person.
And you’ve told me everything about your understanding of the Bible and history - that you are unable to make any kind of coherent thoughtful argument.
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I believe in a loving God who will meet me at that moment
I wish you were right. Unfortunately I don’t think you are, due to all the evidence against it being true. And like I mentioned, the fictive character you call “God” isn’t always loving. He commands the killing of innocent babies, consumes the sacrifices of Midianite virgin girls and Jepthah’s daughter and the 7 sons of Saul, kills Egyptians to show off, etc. He even killed the two sons of his first high priest because they used the wrong type of incense and then told his high priest he’d kill him too if he mourned the loss of his sons. The good and loving god created Hell - a place of eternal torture. It just sounds really stupid to me. I’m glad it gives you comfort though.
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I wish you well.
Right back at you. I just wish you wouldn’t call me a liberal George Soros worshipper, you lying dog-faced pony soldier.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:13 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Hey PS, I hope you had a great Christmas and New Year’s with your family and friends.
Same to you, my friend.
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Well I guess it is moot anyway since there is no archaeological or scientific evidence for a biblical exodus
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven’t found something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
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but much evidence against such a thing
Evidence requires interpretation. Interpretation is determined by presuppositional bias.
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the 40 year wandering in the desert is stupid
I agree. All they had to do was believe and obey, and God would have brought them straight to the promised land. Israel’s wilderness debacle is an illustration of the average believer, in that God delivers us from bondage, and refines our character through tests and trials; providing us with every opportunity to improve. That’s not stupid. That’s true love.
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And we all know damn well that Moshe does not mean “to draw out” and it is the ending of an Egyptian theophoric name such as Thutmoses and Rameses.
Moses means “son of.” No one is saying that it means “to draw out.” I’m saying that because she didn’t know who the father was (because she drew Moses out of the water), she left it at Moses.
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That character in the story had his name changed when it became embarrassing for the Israelites to have their folk hero named after a god they were no longer supposed to be worshipping.
That’s an interesting theory.
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Both Joshua and Moses were non-historical mythical characters who were compounds of other myths
Again, interesting theory. I have a theory as well: many of the similarities between the biblical narrative and pre-biblical myths were intended by God, to specifically address and dispel the prevailing myths of the time; that had probably been circulating in some form since the days of Adam. Evidence to support this theory is that many of Jesus’ miracles were a display of God’s superiority to the idols of the people, such as when He calmed the raging sea and walked on water (a slap in the face of Baal).
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and there was much overlap between the two Moses and Joshua compound characters
This could be explained by necessity. If you look at it as God preparing a stubborn and disobedient people of shallow faith, then it only makes sense that God would use Joshua in many similar ways to reinforce the foundation that He laid with Moses. Is this not plausible?
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“Ben Hadad” means “son of Hadad”. He didn’t have a father named Hadad. Hadad was the name of their patron deity who they also called “Baal” (Lord). This is just one example.
Ok. So, would you say that Ben Hadad (1,2, or 3) is a good guy, or a bad guy, in the biblical narrative?
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Nun is what some Canaanites called “Dagon”. Yes it is the Aramaic word for “fish”.
Noted.
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It’s all based on you know, a particular interpretation of archaeological evidence of Israel and Judah and Gaza and parallel myths found in the Ugaritic library at Ras Shamra.
FIFY
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They were idolatrous - the worship of the entire Canaanite pantheon in Israel and Judea was thriving until around 150BC. There were hilltop shrines to all the different deities all over the place and archaeologists have confirmed they were being used until around 150BC.
So history and archaeology confirm the biblical narrative. Nice.
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In the book of Kings, there are two golden bulls so to refer to them in plural makes sense. But in Exodus, Aaron only makes one bull but uses the language of the book of Kings when referring to his singular bull.
They are two separate incidents. Why is this a problem?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:57 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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My personal "cause" is steadfast enough that I'm not going to be overly concerned about some possible perceived wacky ramblings by someone who might otherwise be moving along the same path as me.
Your hubris will be your demise.
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