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The original Bill of Rights (in its original context) has been dead for along time
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:36 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:36 am
I know for some on this board this is obvious. But this is still not grasped by 90% + of the population.
The entire premise of the BOR was simply to create rules for the federal government. It had absolutely nothing to do with individual liberties, and really had no say in states matters. States were given complete sovereignty outside of the rules laid out in Article 10 of the Constitution.
The idea of the Supreme Court or any federal court having a say in something like Louisiana wanting religous text in classrooms is not in line with the intent of the original BOR. The entire purpose was so that states could set religous standards without Federal interference.
The entire premise of the BOR was simply to create rules for the federal government. It had absolutely nothing to do with individual liberties, and really had no say in states matters. States were given complete sovereignty outside of the rules laid out in Article 10 of the Constitution.
The idea of the Supreme Court or any federal court having a say in something like Louisiana wanting religous text in classrooms is not in line with the intent of the original BOR. The entire purpose was so that states could set religous standards without Federal interference.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:48 am to burger bearcat
You can thank the Civil War and the 14th Amendment for setting the table for activist fedgov and courts. 17th and 19th Amendments infused meth and cocaine into the process.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:49 am to burger bearcat
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The idea of the Supreme Court or any federal court having a say in something like Louisiana wanting religous text in classrooms is not in line with the intent of the original BOR
Sure, but you do know the Constitution can be amended, right?
For example: The Bill of Rights
And it has been amended, to mandate incorporation of these limits to the states. Primarily via the 14th Amendment.
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The entire purpose was so that states could set religous standards without Federal interference.
....que?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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que
States were founded as Christian/Religous colonies. The agreement was to create an alliance, but they did not want the governing alliance to interfere with the religous activities of each state. The Churches created and controlled the individual states.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Primarily via the 14th Amendment.
The single most damaging policy in this entire country's history. Essentially voided out the entire original 10 Ammendments.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:06 am to burger bearcat
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States were founded as Christian/Religous colonies. The agreement was to create an alliance, but they did not want the governing alliance to interfere with the religous activities of each state. The Churches created and controlled the individual states.
Wrong
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
Yes it can be amended but not via judicial fiat.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:26 am to Schleynole
Yep.
Places like Massachusetts and Connecticut were " religious" states. Rhode Island was not.
Places like NY,NJ, Pa Delaware and the Carolinas really could care less overall about religion. Most people at that time were Catholics and some strain of Protestant so atheism was probably unheard of. Quakers were a live and let live bunch that believed in the equality of all men
Maryland had been set up as Catholic colony, but that was changed after Puritans got in the assembly. VA was to be a Church of England stronghold.
GA really is not settled until after the turn of the 18th century and if memory serves. Oglethorpe set it up as a colony where debtors could get a second chance and not be burdened.
So it's mixed, but by the founding of the country, religion or religious concerns were not a paramount issue.
Places like Massachusetts and Connecticut were " religious" states. Rhode Island was not.
Places like NY,NJ, Pa Delaware and the Carolinas really could care less overall about religion. Most people at that time were Catholics and some strain of Protestant so atheism was probably unheard of. Quakers were a live and let live bunch that believed in the equality of all men
Maryland had been set up as Catholic colony, but that was changed after Puritans got in the assembly. VA was to be a Church of England stronghold.
GA really is not settled until after the turn of the 18th century and if memory serves. Oglethorpe set it up as a colony where debtors could get a second chance and not be burdened.
So it's mixed, but by the founding of the country, religion or religious concerns were not a paramount issue.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:38 am to burger bearcat
Losing a Civil War has its consequences
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:51 am to burger bearcat
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States were founded as Christian/Religous colonies.
A handful of them had their beginning that way. None of them were religious colonies by the time of the Revolution.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:52 am to burger bearcat
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Essentially voided out the entire original 10 Ammendments.
Extending the BoR to the states didn’t void anything
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:56 am to KiwiHead
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Losing a Civil War has its consequences
Fair enough. But most people don't realize this, or even understand the Civil War was not just about slavery. It was a re-founding of this country from what was originally an alliance, to becoming a full blown country.
The Wilson era was the final death nail into the Republic, and essentially ended the Republic. The FDR era created the global government we are currently in, and the LBJ era introduced our current Constitution of identity politics we are in.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:57 am to Indefatigable
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Extending the BoR to the states didn’t void anything
It voided out the intent. The BOR was not meant for the feds to police the states. It was a document allowing the states to police the feds.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 7:58 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:58 am to burger bearcat
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States were founded as Christian/Religous colonies.
Hundreds of years prior to the Constitution.
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The agreement was to create an alliance, but they did not want the governing alliance to interfere with the religous activities of each state.
LINK?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:58 am to Sailjuggernaut
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Yes it can be amended but not via judicial fiat.
Well it's a good thing I relied on the 14th Amendment, instead.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:03 am to udtiger
Yep, they celebrate Lincoln under the guise of ending slavery to cover for the damage caused to state sovereingty. Don't get me wrong, ending slavery was awesome but a "Central Government" was not ever part of the plan.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:09 am to burger bearcat
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The BOR was not meant for the feds to police the states. It was a document allowing the states to police the feds.
It was intended to protect the citizens from the government.
All this because you’re upset that Jeff can’t slap the Ten Commandments into classrooms to score political points with his base?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:16 am to burger bearcat
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Fair enough. But most people don't realize this, or even understand the Civil War was not just about slavery.
So true. Every so often threads about the Civil War are discussed on this board and it becomes obvious that many think the Civil War was about slavery rather than some states rejecting federal government beginning to over reach its original purpose. The statement "Losing a Civil War has its consequences" is true, and here we are......
Living out those consequences today.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:36 am to Indefatigable
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It was intended to protect the citizens from the government.
NO
It was not that at all.
It was outlining what the federal government was not allowed to do to the states.
All restrictions on the states were outlined in Article 10. Otherwise States had sovereignty to govern themselves.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:38 am to burger bearcat
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It was outlining what the federal government was not allowed to do to the states.
That doesn’t even make sense. Have you read any of them?
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