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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:27 am to dr90210
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:27 am to dr90210
I seem to remember former CIA guy Larry C Johnson was popular with the left and alternative media around the time of 9/11 and Iraq. This interview is a couple of weeks old, but he claims that Russia is in mop-up mode.
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:33 am to SoonerK
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As you have posted hundreds and hundred's of times about the Ukraine/Russia War
Hundreds and hundreds alter?
Its weird how you stalk me. Go back to the OT thread
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but he claims that Russia is in mop-up mode.
But Texasforever posted a tweet from Yuri Popovich from the Kyiv Independant showing Russia lost 75,000 troops
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 7:41 am
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:38 am to Bunk Moreland
People just can't fathom the way Russia fights wars. There's no blitzkrieg, no racing into Baghdad. They will wear Ukraine the frick out with waves and waves of bodies and missiles...without NATO troop involvement of course.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 7:40 am
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:17 am to DaTruth7
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People just can't fathom the way Russia fights wars. There's no blitzkrieg, no racing into Baghdad.
Read up on the Battle of Khalkin Gol and then get back to me. Georgy Zhukov was a Marshal of the Soviet Union who turned Germany's so-called "blitzkrieg" tactics right back onto the Kwantung Army in Mongolia and, in subsequent years, the Wehrmacht.
Enemy at the Gates is not a historically accurate portrayal of Soviet tactics and strategy during World War II.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:19 am to SDVTiger
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But Texasforever posted a tweet from Yuri Popovich from the Kyiv Independant showing Russia lost 75,000 troops
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:59 am to TexasForever
Im sorry it was Dylan Malysov 
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:56 am to Bunk Moreland
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This interview is a couple of weeks old, but he claims that Russia is in mop-up mode.
Anyone who believes this is so pro-Russia that they can't see the forest through the trees. You can be pro-Russia and still admit that the war hasn't been going well for the Russians up till now. The Ukrainians have straight up won the Battle of Kyiv and it's obvious that the Russians, by bombarding every village and town around the city, wanted to take the capital and decapitate Ukraine's government.
And even if you think the whole movement toward Kyiv was one massive feint by the Russians to distract Ukraine while the real fight was waged in the east, then that feint has failed miserably. The Russians have pulled back from Sumy, still remain bogged down outside of Kharkiv, and have yet to capture Mariupol despite it being completely surrounded and 90% in ruins.
It should be clear to everyone that the Russians went into this war back in February thinking the Ukrainian armed forces would quickly collapse and that the war would be over in a matter of weeks. The initial assaults failed and now they are regrouping for another offensive. So you people can stop thinking that Putin is the smartest man in the room and that he's simply playing the long game. He might very well win in the end, but the war is not going the way you think the Russians wanted it to go.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 11:39 am to RollTide1987
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that he's simply playing the long game. He might very well win in the end, but the war is not going the way you think the Russians wanted it to go.
If he wins, then isn't that the point?
The only thing negative from a drawn out war is western optics and I dont think Russia really gives a shite.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 11:46 am to JayDeerTay84
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If he wins, then isn't that the point?
But what did victory look like to him on February 24 compared to what it looks like now? Have the parameters changed based on Russian military failures in the field? It's seems clear to me that Russian victory included the capture of Kyiv in the initial plan. Considering they have all but abandoned that city, it's also clear that the capture of Kyiv, at least in the short term, is no longer part of their plans for victory in Ukraine.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 11:52 am to RollTide1987
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But what did victory look like to him on February 24 compared to what it looks like now?
The problem western people have is they have determined what "they" think victory is. I know no one wants to believe Russia, but they are pretty much following to a T what they said they wanted to do. Regardless of the timeframe the west has seemed to put on them.
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It's seems clear to me that Russian victory included the capture of Kyiv in the initial plan
How so? Because the media said?
Look. None of us, none of us know what the "actual" plan was and it doesnt really matter.
However, before the war started, Putin made some claims that so far, they seem to be following and Kyiv was not one of them. Them attacking Kyiv like they did was actually a surprise to most I think.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 12:05 pm to JayDeerTay84
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The problem western people have is they have determined what "they" think victory is.
And they may or may not be right about what victory is. Only time will tell.
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I know no one wants to believe Russia, but they are pretty much following to a T what they said they wanted to do. Regardless of the timeframe the west has seemed to put on them.
This is absolute horseshite. If Russia were following to a T what they said they wanted to do then they would have put all of their eggs in Donbass rather than attempting a massive assault on the western part of Ukraine from Belarus.
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How so? Because the media said?
No...because the Russians attacked Kyiv with a significant force of arms. They obviously had that city in their sights from the beginning. As I said...either way, whatever they had planned for Kyiv ended up failing. If they had planned to take the city, that plan failed because the Russian forces have pulled back and are no longer threatening Kyiv. If it was a feint to distract Ukraine from what was going on in the east, then it also failed because Russia has yet to capture anything of strategic value in that region.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 12:08 pm to RollTide1987
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then it also failed because Russia has yet to capture anything of strategic value in that region.
This is just false. Have you looked at a map?
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 12:16 pm to JayDeerTay84
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How so? Because the media said?
Look. None of us, none of us know what the "actual" plan was and it doesnt really matter.
However, before the war started, Putin made some claims that so far, they seem to be following and Kyiv was not one of them.
It sure looks like Kyiv, Mykolaiv, Chernihiv, & Sumy were all on the agenda. I guess Russia just lost hundreds of vehicles & thousands of troops for shits & giggles.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 12:18 pm to TexasForever
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I guess Russia just lost hundreds of vehicles & thousands of troops for shits & giggles.
Not much experience with Commies huh?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 12:59 pm to JayDeerTay84
So has Ukraine begged for any more weapons and sanctions today?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 1:04 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Have you looked at a map?
Have you?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 1:12 pm to RollTide1987
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Have you?
Yea. Russia controls more of the black sea, ports, land, and resources.
1/4 of Ukraine is basically destroyed.
I am not trying to paint a picture of some Russian military might, but we are fooling ourselves if anyone thinks Ukraine is winning anything. The longer this goes the more in favor it is for Russia.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 1:32 pm to Bunk Moreland
The linked article is from March 21st and claims the Ukrainian air force had been completely wiped out.
Ukraine flew two helicopters into Russian territory and blew up their oil depots on April 1st.
91% of Ukrainian tanks are destroyed? Anything is possible. But 91 of 55 helicopters? 398 of 50 drones?
Further, the linked article (March 21st) was posted before Russia had no choice but to retreat from Northern Ukraine.
Not saying it's wrong, but it is certainly contrary to most of the prevailing views / seemingly available evidence.
Ukraine flew two helicopters into Russian territory and blew up their oil depots on April 1st.
91% of Ukrainian tanks are destroyed? Anything is possible. But 91 of 55 helicopters? 398 of 50 drones?
Further, the linked article (March 21st) was posted before Russia had no choice but to retreat from Northern Ukraine.
Not saying it's wrong, but it is certainly contrary to most of the prevailing views / seemingly available evidence.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 1:35 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Russia controls more of the black sea, ports, land, and resources.
They control more but not the prize (Odessa). That is the most strategically valuable port on the Black Sea and would be the ultimate goal for any offensive into Ukraine proper - especially considering the history of Russia and its desire for more warm water ports.
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1/4 of Ukraine is basically destroyed.
Okay...and what does that do for them?
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