re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

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Their elections aren’t free and open. They jail their opponents and destroyed any media with dissent.

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No that is Russia. The only politicians who have been jailed in Ukraine are the ones that the anti-corruption courts have prosecuted.

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Moscow Stock Exchange to remain closed for 5th day

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Moscow’s stock exchange stayed closed for an entire week, and the Russian government didn’t expect the Swiss to go along with the sanctions. The western intel ppl who were right about a lot of the intelligence stuff released prior to the invasion said that without access to the international financial community it only had cash reserves for ten days of fighting. Today is day 8 of the war. If the intel ppl were even partly correct then the Russian stock market is going to crash next week.

I know that China is supposedly Putin’s partner in all of this, but China needs energy sources. Western and eastern Siberia have vast energy sources and Putin is stripping his forces from the area. You have to wonder if Xi and the CCP are looking at the situation and thinking “why should we pay for Russian oil and gas and piss off Europe and the USA? When we could invade Siberia, seize the oil and natural gas we need, secure our main railroad access to European markets which is now uneconomical due to sanctions, and gain good PR with the western customers.”

ETA: Yes I know that is the plot in a Tom Clancy novel.

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You think China is going to invade Russia? Did I read that right?

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You did not read that right. I said I wonder if as the war drags on China starts to think about it.

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Both sides lie in every conflict. You're choosing to believe one side more than the other because you want to.

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In this conflict essentially everything coming out of one side is proven false while the other side isn't saying much of anything.

I'm not believing either side. One just happens to give a lot more material to work with.

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I'll spell it out for you;

I don't like all the propaganda the clownshow Zelensky is putting out because he is trying his damnedest to get US into their war. I don't want us in a war with another nuclear power and you shouldn't either.

His and his deputies hysterics and bald faced lies about the nuke plant were 100% to get us to overreact and jump in. Hell, they got that idiot Miss Lindsey to call for Putin's assassinations on national tv.

Of course plenty of people here are stupid enough to want to jump into another war after the last several we have been in have been sooooo successful.

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I can understand where you're coming from here.

I was wondering and maybe this is the thread to ask in.

Has anyone seen any actual Ukrainian troops, in uniform?

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The weapons distributed to anyone are already participating in robberies in the capital.
Today I read that with the use of Javelin, a collection vehicle was smashed and looted.

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In 2002, a single Javelin command launch unit cost $126,000, and each missile cost around $78,000 (equivalent to $111,000 in 2019). This is reinforced by the US Army's Fiscal Year 2018 unit cost for the Javelin weapon system, which put the unit cost at $206,705. ... 90% of all United States air combat losses over the past 25 years have been ...

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Seems like the robbery tool could more valuable than what they are stealing. I don't think that those are handed out willy-nilly.

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thanks but you really didnt change my mind at all.

I'll pull for the alleged "lying/propagandists" Ukrainians over the invading Russians any day.

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If you think its about "pulling for" either, you're stupid. Ukraine winning would be the best outcome. That doesn't mean that they are doing shady stuff themselves and that we can't call them out for it. They are openly trying to goat the international community into winning this war for them because they can't themselves.

To just save the most civilian lives, a quick Russian victory would be the best outcome. But then does that embolden them to try to invade other countries? I personally don't buy that narrative, but its possible.

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TheLastRefuge
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The 'you cannot question the NATO Ukraine narrative', is provided by the same people who said you cannot question the vaccine narrative... which was provided by the same people who said you cannot question the 2020 election narrative... which was provided by the same people who..

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