re: The most 'just' and 'moral' war in all of history

Most Russians didn’t give a shite about the Russian revolution.

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Perhaps not every christian they ran across but how about the Armenians? Granted it was late in the empire but they did try to kill all the Armenians in 1915.

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That was primarily due to Turkish nationalism. The Ottoman administration was fairly cosmopolitan (made up of Albanians, Bosnians, Turks, Greeks, Turkmens and other ethnic groups), but that cosmopolitanism caused a backlash, once ethnonationalisti ideas surfaced in the empire, after their introduction from Europe. The 1880's onward saw more persecution of non-Turks, but the persecution and mistreatment took different forms depending on the religion. Ottoman rulers wanted a cosmopolitan empire, and introduced a standardization of dress for officials, including the fez, which also became a symbol of orientalism.

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i think the world would be a better place had the united states joined with the axis powers

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I wouldn’t go that far, but as you said, neutrality would’ve made for the best outcome in Europe for sure. Judging by what Europe has turned into and knowing what we know now.

I say that as Europe would not have lost its identity and its culture as it has since then with the onslaught of cultural Marxism and Moslems.

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The Crusades were launched in response to Muslim aggressions.

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While true, it's complicated. The Romans and the Byzantines had been fighting in West Asia, at their eastern frontier, since the year 200. Their enemy changed from Persians to Arabs, but the Byzantines, by the year 1000, were fairly content to fight against Arabs. The newly converted Turks moved from Central Asia into West Asia, colonizing parts of Asia Minor, becoming more powerful than the Arabs in the region eventually. This new enemy is what drove Alexios to send envoys to Pope Urban, as the Seljuq Turks represented a new threat to the Byzantines.

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"Just" and "moral" are two words I would NOT use to describe the Russian Revolution.

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I see this kind of psychological projection today with leftists. They lie and cheat all the time so they call Republicans liars and cheaters. The USSR had a terrific national anthem musically. But the words are all about 'land of the free'. The USSR was the opposite of freedom.

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Most Russians didn’t give a shite about the Russian revolution.

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You should watch the movie Battleship Potemkin. It's from 1925, silent, and the first motion picture to use special effects. It's in Russian language but with English subtitles.
It says a lot about today's political discourse. It's the 'oppressors' vs. 'the oppressed.' It's 'rich vs. poor.' It's about the collective: 'One for all...All for one.'
Lots of women and children being slaughtered by the ruling class.

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Just started reading The Gulag Archipelago. Could not agree more. Should be mandatory reading for all high schoolers.

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Last month I tried to buy it on Kindle and it's not available. Too long for an e-reader?

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Well, if you're gonna see a movie about the Civil War I'm not gonna tell you who won.

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Last month I tried to buy it on Kindle and it's not available. Too long for an e-reader?

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Yeah. It's three volumes unabridged. There's a new volume out with a foreword by Jordan Peterson, but I don't know about the quality of the translation. The Thomas Whitney translation is superb though.