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The Mississippi Education Turnaround Continues

Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:34 am
Posted by anc
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Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:34 am
Its not being covered by the major news outlets in MS, because it doesn't fit their agenda of Republicans hate education and we need to throw money at schools like it grows on trees but ...

A couple of months after leading the nation in gains on national testing (and scoring anywhere between 4th and 27th nationally), Mississippi's graduation rate is at an all-time high and drop out rate is at an all-time low.

Mississippi's graduation rate now exceeds the national average for the first time in history.

Barely being covered by liberal media, just look at the raw report
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 11:04 am
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32558 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:36 am to
Louisiana will continue to ignore anything MS is doing, because we know better.

Good job MS! ANC what are yall doing different to get these results?
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:38 am to
So parents are getting more involved or are politicians educating the kids. Which is it.

I didn't realize so many kids were graduating in december
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:42 am to
What is contributing to this “Mississippi rebound”?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35056 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:43 am to
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Good job MS! ANC what are yall doing different to get these results?


Handing out the test answer booklet to the teachers to read out to the class.

All the test are multi choice with the answer “c” for every question.


Sidebar: if I were a teacher I’d 100% make every answer on my test be the same letter except maybe one or two just to drive the students insane.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 10:44 am
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:43 am to
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Good job MS! ANC what are yall doing different to get these results?



One of the main things we have done in this state is a enhanced focus on teaching reading in elementary schools. In 2013, when we originally looked at why our grad rates sucked and our test scores sucked, we kept hearing from high school teachers that kids couldn't read.

So while we have done other things, focusing on "reading as a science" has proven to have the biggest return on investment.
Posted by WHS
walker LA.
Member since Feb 2006
3112 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:49 am to
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we kept hearing from high school teachers that kids couldn't read.


I am a teacher in Louisiana and this is a fact in La as well.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21805 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:51 am to
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So parents are getting more involved or are politicians educating the kids. Which is it.


You view teachers as politicians?
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:54 am to
I am in higher ed now, but I was in K-12 in the time period where these changes were being discussed.

Imagine being one of just a couple of true conservatives in the room with a ton of liberals and what I term educrats - conservative in all parts of life except for education.

They want more money.
We ask for what.
Doesn't matter. Money will solve our issues.
What are you going to do with it.
Hire more administration.
Thats stupid. We need more instruction.
Buy more technology (big problem at the time)
That's stupid. Tech can't do everything.

The concept of coming up with three big ideas was amazing. They didn't have ideas other than more money. higher teacher pay. The same crew (led by Nancy Loome) is back at it with teacher pay, but they have no ammo with these recent results.

We hired Carey Wright as state superintendent and paid her more than any superintendent in America. She is as liberal as Obama, but I will give her credit - she came in, determined what needed to be done, worked with the legislature to determine a plan and stuck through it.

I figure we are about to lose her after this year, but I applaud what she has done for our state.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:56 am to
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One of the main things we have done in this state is a enhanced focus on teaching reading in elementary schools.


It really is that simple.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:58 am to
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I am a teacher in Louisiana and this is a fact in La as well.



Its being called the Mississippi Plan in the education policy circles. Other states are going to adopt it. Florida is looking at it heavily right now. Alabama is about to implement parts of it.

Treat reading like a science. Its not just about having books available in the library. Make sure kids can read from an early age. Set benchmarks and hit them. Hire interventionists in EVERY BUILDING to make sure kids don't fall behind.

At the end of third grade, kids that can't read at grade level are held back, no matter if they have straight As. They get three shots at the test. Two during the school year and one after a summer program.

The "reading gate" is tough as well. The overall pass rate is north of 90%, but there are quite a few parents with means that send their kids to private schools for third grade only to avoid it.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 11:08 am
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:00 am to
Another thing we did was get rid of elected school superintendents. Superintendents are now hired by an elected school board.

You had people running school districts that couldn't manage a Taco Bell graveyard shift but could win an election in these small towns. They were running school districts like employment agencies for their friends and families.

Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16512 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:07 am to
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Imagine being one of just a couple of true conservatives in the room with a ton of liberals and what I term educrats - conservative in all parts of life except for education.


This is exactly me being the board chair of a charter school in Memphis.
There is a program here in Memphis where you can go spend an hour every week reading with 2nd grade kids who are behind on reading. It's a great program
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:10 am to
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There is a program here in Memphis where you can go spend an hour every week reading with 2nd grade kids who are behind on reading. It's a great program


I'm good with those programs and they are helpful, but what Mississippi did is different. Its not just reading to them or preaching the importance of reading (both are important), its actually teaching the science of reading - training your brain how to process information.

Here's a great rundown: LINK

and to be fair, here's the liberal spin: LINK

This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 11:13 am
Posted by cedar
Member since Aug 2011
80 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:16 am to
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You had people running school districts that couldn't manage a Taco Bell graveyard shift but could win an election in these small towns. They were running school districts like employment agencies for their friends and families.


I live in the black belt in West Alabama,this is a huge problem here.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21805 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:16 am to
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Another thing we did was get rid of elected school superintendents. Superintendents are now hired by an elected school board.


We looked at that, but I don't think it buys you anything. If you've got a 7 member school board 4 people now decide who the superintendent is and it's harder to get rid of a bad one. I don't think it's overtly worse than electing them, I just think it's a wash. There are positives and negatives to both ways.

Either way you have to elect good people or you'll have issues.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19283 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:28 am to
Do the numbers represent real gains?

The easiest way to improve your scores is by lowering standards, and accommodating under performers.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:29 am to
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I live in the black belt in West Alabama,this is a huge problem here.



I grew up there. Alabama is considering the reading initiatives and I have seen a lot of opposition from people back home.

I assure you, its completely different, but it works. In less than seven years, Mississippi has gone from dead last to around 27th in the things that matter in education.

Some education rankings factor in teacher pay (unrelated to cost of living, we are low) and union activity (which we basically have none) and will rate us lower. But if you look at test scores and graduation rates, etc., we are rocking.

Graduation Rate:

Iowa 90.5% (leads nation)
Mississippi 85.0%
California 83.0%
National Average 81.6%
Louisiana 78.1%
DC 61.4% (nations lowest)

The next thing we need to do is stop requiring all students to take the ACT. Were one of just three states that do it and it brings down our average significantly.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 11:31 am
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
1928 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:32 am to
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Do the numbers represent real gains? The easiest way to improve your scores is by lowering standards, and accommodating under performers.


These are national standards. The gains in MS are real. I love the fact they got rid of passing kids who aren’t ready. I’ve heard it called social promotion as you keep kids together with their age group. I’ve always thought that is a huge disservice to these kids as you take away any real chance to succeed.

MS holds them back if they aren’t ready to read in the 3rd grade and gives them a reading interventionist and pairing with a high performing teacher. Shocking, that worked.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30360 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:36 am to
This is big because it’s covering actual gains in the classroom, not a measurement of dollars spent.


My mother is a teacher in the worst neighborhood of the worst school district of nc.

She says it’s not money, but an ability to teach disciplined students. The troublemakers must be disciplined or removed to create a conducive learning environment.
The ones that seek attention, ruin it for everyone else (ahem, Odell).
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 11:37 am
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