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re: The Left has no probblem with this
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:20 am to AUbused
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:20 am to AUbused
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You said earlier that society is way past the primate comparisons when, in reality, those type of comments are made fairly regularly here so its easy to see that you are confused.
Correct
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The fact is that a grown man painting himself orange and rocking wild hair does bring to mind an orangutan. Whereas people inferring that black people are animals/apes has a long history connected closely to hanging people by their necks until they die.
I think a lot of people here would like to tell themselves that all racism mysteriously vanished after the civil war. Unfortunately it didn't.
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hat you cannot understand why those two things, while both potentially hurtful, might be viewed differently because of that historical context says that you(and the OP) are either retarded, racist or both.
Absolutely. This is very simple shite.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:21 am to BeeFense5
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I also don’t think black people need my protection and I don’t feel I need to tell them what to be outraged about like you and the other white liberals.
I don't think anyone is suggesting they need protection
The discussion is about why is one thing socially acceptable to say and the other is not. The answers are clear and simple and you and dumb arse OP can't comprehend it.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:23 am to BeeFense5
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I’ve condemened all the comparisons.
I have acknowledged the historical context
And yet you continue to defend the dumbass false equivalence of the OP.
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I also don’t think black people need my protection and I don’t feel I need to tell them what to be outraged about like you and the other white liberals.
This does not even come close to following the two sentences I quoted above. IDGAF what people are offended about and I would be inclined to say that Roseannes comment was pointing more toward the rubberish quality of VJ's face bringing to mind Planet of the Apes than being racist. I do however think it was a ridiculously stupid tweet.
All that being said my point is that making fun of a grown man painting himself orange and inferring that black people are apes is not the same thing and to argue that it is, as in the OP and his earlier post, is so dumb that honestly im not even sure why im wasting my time arguing the point.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:24 am to Powerman
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The discussion is about why is one thing socially acceptable to say and the other is not.
Exactly. And the right thing is they both shouldn’t be acceptable in this day in time if we are to move forward.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:30 am to BeeFense5
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Exactly. And the right thing is they both shouldn’t be acceptable in this day in time if we are to move forward.
Negative
There is nothing remotely off color about making fun of Trump's fake sun tan. It's equivalent to making fun of Obama's big ears. Both are absolutely acceptable.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:31 am to BeeFense5
quote:That's the issue I think. Seems kind of hard to do so when the OP is lumping all people who dont agree with him "the left", and not acknowledging both issues.
Exactly. And the right thing is they both shouldn’t be acceptable in this day in time if we are to move forward.
If we want to all agree to "play nice", then let's try it out instead of starting 2 or 3 of the same old "yeah but you're worse" threads daily.
I'm willing to do that, are you?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:36 am to Powerman
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The discussion is about why is one thing socially acceptable to say and the other is not. The answers are clear and simple and you and dumb arse OP can't comprehend it.
Again, who decides what is socially acceptable?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:38 am to EastBankTiger
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Roseanne Barr started in standup comedy. Thus, she gets to use the "comedienne" excuse.
Sucks when your dogma gets used against you, doesn't it?
If you don't understand the difference between a comedy bit on a comedy show and a tweet there isn't much help for you.
Even giving Roseanna the benefit of the doubt and let's assume that she was trying to make a joke. The dangers of social media and the written word is there are no giveaways to the the person reading that this is a joke piece vs just hate speech.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:41 am to Revelator
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Again, who decides what is socially acceptable?
Society apparently
You would have to be well under the mentally retarded IQ threshold to not be aware of such social norms (not speaking about you personally but in general)
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:46 am to BeeFense5
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Exactly. And the right thing is they both shouldn’t be acceptable in this day in time if we are to move forward.
Actually the right thing to do is for both to be acceptable and for everyone to stop being so goddamn insecure if we are to move forward.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:47 am to L.A.
Nope.
Comparing a black person to apes = gone.
Comparing hair color of orange and a weird orange complexion to an Orangutan = meh.
If Donald Trump were a rare black ginger like the Celtics late Dennis Johnson (all I could think of), Maher would be gone.
Comparing a black person to apes = gone.
Comparing hair color of orange and a weird orange complexion to an Orangutan = meh.
If Donald Trump were a rare black ginger like the Celtics late Dennis Johnson (all I could think of), Maher would be gone.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:52 am to Powerman
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You would have to be well under the mentally retarded IQ threshold to not be aware of such social norms (not speaking about you personally but in general)
But only a small portion of society decides what societal norms are acceptable. And a very small and disproportionate one I might add.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:54 am to TiketheMiger
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If you don't understand the difference between a comedy bit on a comedy show and a tweet there isn't much help for you.
If someone makes that tweet about President Trump (especially of they're black) they'll get a pass. If you can't grasp that, there's not much help for you. :)~
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 7:55 am
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:54 am to Revelator
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But only a small portion of society decides what societal norms are acceptable. And a very small and disproportionate one I might add.
This isn't true at all.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:56 am to Salmon
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This isn't true at all.
It's very true. Do you think that academia or the media represent the true values of middle America?
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 7:58 am
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:58 am to Revelator
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It's very true. Do you think that academia or the media represent the true values of middle America?
Do you think that it's only these people that disapprove of calling blacks primates? If not then what's your point dumbass?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:59 am to Revelator
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Do you think that academia or the media represent the true values of middle America?
Of course not.
But they are also not the ones setting societal norms.
If they did, we would be far more left than we are right now.
That doesn't mean the media doesn't influence the shifts in societal norms, but they are not the ones that set it. "Middle America" still has to buy in to it for it to become a norm.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:02 am to Powerman
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Do you think that it's only these people that disapprove of calling blacks primates?
My point has little to do with the Rossane tweet, because almost everyone admits that it was wrong, even Rossane herself.
But, the bigger issue is that certain people or groups of people can mock and defame others with impunity, because a very small minority of the population that controls the narrative are biased.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:03 am to Revelator
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But, the bigger issue is that certain people or groups of people can mock and defame others with impunity, because a very small minority of the population that controls the narrative are biased.
Well no.
They can because the majority don't care.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:06 am to Salmon
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They can because the majority don't care.
They will care more and more when the speech police destroy their businesses or drag them to court for a social media post.
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