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re: The Latest Rundown on the Mike Flynn Deep State Hit Job
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:32 pm to NOLA Bronco
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:32 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:Details please. Not about discussing this with Abe who is PM of one of the two most closely involved foreign allies in this situation. Please lay out details of the waiter's tweets, and what specific classified info POTUS was giving up? Take your time.
So then are you equally appalled for Trump conducting national security business about North Korea, not only in front of another head of state, but at an unsecure public dinner where fricking waiters were tweeting about hearing Trump discuss vital strategic decision-making with North Korea in front of them?
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:33 pm
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:34 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Do what?
Don't want embarrassing stuff to leak don't do it
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:35 pm to NC_Tigah
awesome
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:37 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:
So then are you equally appalled for Trump conducting national security business about North Korea, not only in front of another head of state, but at an unsecure public dinner where fricking waiters were tweeting about hearing Trump discuss vital strategic decision-making with North Korea in front of them?
Except for the fact that no sensitive information was actually discussed and said out loud and you know how that's true? You don't see hill democrats making hay out of that and making a scene about it.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:41 pm to NC_Tigah
Oh look! Another "blame the media" thread.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:42 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
I guess it's possible to achieve multibillionaire status by not constantly improving, but it seems a dubious precept
We really don't know his net worth, but he's succeeded by executing his core strength over and over, which is certainly admirable. When he's tried to apply that in other areas he's failed pretty spectacularly. He's one of the worst personality types, he doesn't know what he doesn't know.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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Details please. Not about discussing this with Abe who is PM of one of the two most closely involved foreign allies in this situation. Please lay out details of the waiter's tweets, and what specific classified info POTUS was giving up? Take your time.
Now, if you want to know what typically happens. What a responsible president does, go look at Bush and the Prairie Chapel Ranch. When matters like this arose, Bush would immediately retreat to a secure location designated on the ranch. With only people of the correct clearance level and secret service agents. Where the room was secured from a long a list of potential breaches and contained secure lines of communication.
Whether the information was classified or not, it is a huge breach of security protocol and frankly, reckless.
But like I suspected, excuses, deflections, and rationalizations because its "your guy."
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:51 pm to Sentrius
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Bush 43 in a nutshell. Really shows how gutless and timid he was.
I'll bet that the reason why he was so very gutless and timid is because he KNEW what would happen to him if he dared to fight back -- he'd get the "President Trump" treatment and be attacked relentlessly on all fronts.
He didn't have the stomach for that.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:53 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Whether the information was classified or not, it is a huge breach
Okay, there are the nuts and bolts of it: "Whether the information was classified or not." The "other room" was the scif. Just so you'll know.
Kind of like whether Flynn did something illegal or not, the deep state hit job was justified.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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Okay, there are the nuts and bolts of it: "Whether the information was classified or not."
The "other room" was the skiff. Just so you'll know.
Kind of like whether Flynn did something illegal or not, the deep state hit job was justified.
So in your mind the only time a president should discuss matters of national security in a secure location is when they know classified information will be brought up?
Which begs the question, what about discussions that ultimately would of otherwise become classified after the fact because they ended up leading to discussions around sensitive national security issues? Just wing it and hope for the best?
Perhaps, idk, that is in part why the protocol is in place to conduct these sort of discussions in secure locations first. Why conduct like this is reckless and why this has become a nice and easy way to identify the critical thinkers from the partisan apologists, hypocrites and excuse makers.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:22 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:Oh my.
the protocol is in place to conduct these sort of discussions in secure locations first. Why conduct like this is reckless and why this has become a nice and easy way to identify the critical thinkers from the partisan apologists, hypocrites and excuse makers.
At expense of "critical thinking," each of these are meetings with heads of state outside of secure locations. They are a select few of the numerous such meetings Obama held.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:23 pm to NC_Tigah
Liberals are going to lie and mislead.
It is all they have.
It is all they have.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:28 pm to gthog61
quote:When Trump took calls in the SCIF both before and after dinner at Mar-a-lago, I wonder if he asked his Wash DC team why they took MLK's bust out of the Oval Office.
Liberals are going to lie and mislead.
It is all they have.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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Oh my.
At expense of "critical thinking," each of these are meetings with heads of state outside of secure locations. They are a select few of the numerous such meetings Obama held.
Perhaps this deflection would make sense if my criticism revolved around Trump taking Abe to crash the wedding of his club member at his reception hall.
That is not what is in question here.
You tried to play the righteous indignation card and decry about how it was all about protecting National Security with why Hillary's server and frick ups were of such great importance, then when presented with your guy acting reckless with national security conduct, you immediately try to excuse, deflect, rationalize, and now go for some false equivalencies.
The hypocrisy stench is overwhelming with this one.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:59 pm to NC_Tigah
The ragging on Russia by the former POTUS and Dem candidate for POTUS was a deliberate, calculated head fake to divert attention elsewhere. Putin could be painted, and to an extent rightly so, as the Boogie Man. We were the ones poking Russia and not the other way around. Russia is an easy fall guy. This matter before us is an attempt to keep this Administration from jerking a knot in Iran. Ironically, the USA will be one of many with this rogue nation in the crosshairs.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:51 am to NOLA Bronco
quote:Let's be crystal clear, the term you seem to be searching for is "CLASSIFIED INFORMATION." Regarding Hillary's Kitchen Pantry Server, we should have been so lucky as to have just been dealing with generally classified information. Unfortunately the term in her case was "SAP Material".
Perhaps this deflection would make sense if my criticism revolved....
....You tried to play the righteous indignation card and decry about how it was all about protecting National Security with why Hillary's server and frick ups were of such great importance, then when presented with your guy acting reckless with national security conduct,
Your wild speculation notwithstanding, the problem here is we do not know the subject or content of the Mar-a-lago patio discussions. What we do know is Trump had already communicated with DC via SCIF when the pics were taken. What we do know is he returned to communicate via SCIF afterwards. Sounds fairly appropriate to me.
The Obama images were not deflections. You implied the POTUS should always and only meet with foreign leaders in secure settings. It's an asinine intimation. The Obama images simply demonstrate that fact.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 1:53 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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The Obama images were not deflections. You implied the POTUS should always and only meet with foreign leaders in secure settings. It's an asinine intimation. The Obama images simply demonstrate that fact.
That was never said, quit conflating. It makes your attempts to discuss look childish .
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Let's be crystal clear, the term you seem to be searching for is "CLASSIFIED INFORMATION." Regarding Hillary's Kitchen Pantry Server, we should have been so lucky as to have just been dealing with generally classified information. Unfortunately the term in her case was "SAP Material".
I made myself crystal clear. You decried a failure on Hillary's part to act with utmost care and security toward matters of National Security. When it comes to your guy, you do not hold the same standard. This is cut and dry. When faced with his own improprieties, you choose to flail around and make false equivalencies, excuses, and begin some bizarre line of argument that the only thing that matters is if already classified information was discussed. Pathetic. But expected.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:43 pm to Champagne
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Few if any Democrats would have a problem with a Democrat-controlled police state, so, the fact that "this is what police states do" is absolutely true, but, not a deterrent to Democrats because hey PREFER police state methods.
They set the dogs onto the civil rights marchers, they put firehoses to the lunch counter protesters, they will use any "police state" methods that the media will allow them to get away with and we know that the media will give them cover for anything, probably even treason.
Where do you get this sh!t?
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