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The Kavanaugh nomination. I already have MAJOR concerns.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 8:58 am
Posted on 7/11/18 at 8:58 am
Before I list my concerns I just want to say, on these judicial nominee assessments I rely on other peoples' opinions. I just don't have the time to dig in and make my own assessments. So I rely on people that have a long and credible track record of assessing these judicial nominees.
My first concern is on the 4th amendment. Justin Amash, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie all have expressed their angst with Kavanaugh's judicial decisions involving metadata and surveillance. I trust these guys. For a glimpse of Kavanaugh's decisions that potentially can have a negative impact on the 4th here are a few tweets by Amash:
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The second concern is on the issue of Obamacare. During the Mark Levin podcast Mark read the 2013 oral arguments between Kavanaugh and White (attorney for the plaintiff) on the DC Circuit. In summary Kavanaugh argued that the Obamacare mandate was a tax thus giving the federal government the power to force you and me to purchase a product from a private company. Now the case in the DC circuit was never concluded because the circuit punted and said come back to me in 2015 when the mandate is enforced.
This was the same argument that John Roberts used along with the 4 liberal Supremes to hold up Obamacare. And of all people, moderate supreme Anthony Kennedy RIPPED the majority opinion in his dissent and effectively said, "you're just making up law now".
Kavanaugh says he's a textualist. That is difficult to believe after hearing that particular exchange between him and White in the DC circuit. He was justifying calling a mandate a tax in that exchange and he literally said, "'mandate' is just a label". Textualists don't make those kinds of arguments.
Third concern: Kavanaugh comes off as a GOPe golden boy. This is the establishment pick. The Bushs love him. The McConnell gang with McCain love him. That always raises a red flag for me.
Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.
I'm concerned.
My first concern is on the 4th amendment. Justin Amash, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie all have expressed their angst with Kavanaugh's judicial decisions involving metadata and surveillance. I trust these guys. For a glimpse of Kavanaugh's decisions that potentially can have a negative impact on the 4th here are a few tweets by Amash:
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Kavanaugh is not another Gorsuch—not even close. Disappointing pick, particularly with respect to his #4thAmendment record. Future decisions on the constitutionality of government surveillance of Americans will be huge. We can’t afford a rubber stamp for the executive branch.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) July 9, 2018quote:
In 2015, Kavanaugh declared “the Government’s metadata collection program is entirely consistent with the Fourth Amendment.”
He cited Smith v. Maryland, a case whose facts bear almost no resemblance to the metadata program.
Gorsuch recently ripped SvM in a #4thAmendment case.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) July 9, 2018quote:
Kavanaugh: “Government’s program for bulk collection of telephony metadata serves a critically important special need—preventing terrorist attacks on the United States. In my view, that critical national security need outweighs the impact on privacy occasioned by this program.”
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) July 9, 2018
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The second concern is on the issue of Obamacare. During the Mark Levin podcast Mark read the 2013 oral arguments between Kavanaugh and White (attorney for the plaintiff) on the DC Circuit. In summary Kavanaugh argued that the Obamacare mandate was a tax thus giving the federal government the power to force you and me to purchase a product from a private company. Now the case in the DC circuit was never concluded because the circuit punted and said come back to me in 2015 when the mandate is enforced.
This was the same argument that John Roberts used along with the 4 liberal Supremes to hold up Obamacare. And of all people, moderate supreme Anthony Kennedy RIPPED the majority opinion in his dissent and effectively said, "you're just making up law now".
Kavanaugh says he's a textualist. That is difficult to believe after hearing that particular exchange between him and White in the DC circuit. He was justifying calling a mandate a tax in that exchange and he literally said, "'mandate' is just a label". Textualists don't make those kinds of arguments.
Third concern: Kavanaugh comes off as a GOPe golden boy. This is the establishment pick. The Bushs love him. The McConnell gang with McCain love him. That always raises a red flag for me.
Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.
I'm concerned.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 8:59 am
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:00 am to GumboPot
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Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.
Wut.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:01 am to GumboPot
His Fourth Amendment and policing power decisions definitely favor broad government power. The tax argument for Obamacare is completely irrational.
This is why Kethledge was a superior choice.
This is why Kethledge was a superior choice.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:03 am to GumboPot
No he won’t. But he won’t be a Scalia either.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:04 am to Antonio Moss
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Kethledge was a superior choice.
Exactly. I would have rather have Barrett or Kethledge
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:06 am to GumboPot
He was my least favorite of the final 4. However, we'll get another shot at it before the POTUS term is up. Dynamics are definitely in the Constitution's favor.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:06 am to GumboPot
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Third concern: Kavanaugh comes off as a GOPe golden boy. This is the establishment pick. The Bushs love him. The McConnell gang with McCain love him. That always raises a red flag for me.
Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.
Yep. Funny seeing "conservatives" going ga-ga over this pick. I hope it fails. Kavanaugh is at best another Kennedy and that is a loss for textualists.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:06 am to GumboPot
You and most everyone else need to do a little research on "privacy rights". Prior to the '60s there wasn't an absolute or explicit right to privacy.
See Griswold v. Connecticut.... Wiki
Constitution Laws
See Griswold v. Connecticut.... Wiki
Constitution Laws
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:08 am to GumboPot
Lifelong DC resident.
Ivy League.
He's compromised.
I don't trust him. I hope the senate shitcans him and forces Trump to pick another Gorsuch.
Ivy League.
He's compromised.
I don't trust him. I hope the senate shitcans him and forces Trump to pick another Gorsuch.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:08 am to Wtodd
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You and most everyone else need to do a little research on "privacy rights". Prior to the '60s there wasn't an absolute or explicit right to privacy.
No one is talking about Substantive Due Process. The concern, as laid out in the OP, is Fourth Amendment rights and the policing power.
Maybe YOU should do some more research.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:08 am to GumboPot
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Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.
Well I would agree if in his 20-30 years on the scotus he only ever rules on cases concerning the 4th and Obama care.
But that is a stupid assumption.
Much of what is going on in DC right now is completely controlled by the mid-terms. If you wonder why DJT is not doing X or a committee won't move on Y or a safe to pass scotus pick is made there is your answer.
Cause if the dems get control of the Senate nothing will get done thats good for the country for the next two years unless you consider constant attacks from the houses on DJT a good thing.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:09 am to Wtodd
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This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:09 am to goatmilker
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Well I would agree if in his 20-30 years on the scotus he only ever rules on cases concerning the 4th and Obama care.
But that is a stupid assumption.
Much of what is going on in DC right now is completely controlled by the mid-terms. If you wonder my DJT is not doing X or a committee won't move on Y or a safe to pass scotus pick is made there is your answer.
Cause if the dems get control of the Senate nothing will get done thats good for the country for the next two years unless you consider constant attacks from the houses on DJT a good thing.
THIS
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:10 am to The Pirate King
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Wut.
To me Roberts as chief justice seems like a judge that is deeply concerned with optics. My perception of Roberts is that Roberts will make judicial decisions to make the court seem impartial and he relies on the MSM to be the arbiter of impartiality. That means left of center.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:11 am to GumboPot
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To me Roberts as chief justice seems like a judge that is deeply concerned with optics
Agree
I think Kavanaugh is to the right of Roberts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:13 am to GumboPot
I've voiced my concerns elsewhere, so I won't repeat them, but in short, I agree with you.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:16 am to GeauxTigers1983
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quote: Kethledge was a superior choice. Exactly. I would have rather have Barrett or Kethledge
Trump's going to get at least one more SC appointment. This one required him to nominate someone who he knew he could get confirmed. If that happens before the midterms he drives a wedge into the Dems and grows the R majority in the Senate. Then he could get someone like Kethledge or Barrett.
I think the man is playing a good game of chess. He's picking his battles and winning them.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:19 am to cajuncarguy
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Trump's going to get at least one more SC appointment. This one required him to nominate someone who he knew he could get confirmed. If that happens before the midterms he drives a wedge into the Dems and grows the R majority in the Senate. Then he could get someone like Kethledge or Barrett.
I think the man is playing a good game of chess. He's picking his battles and winning them.
If this is true, and it seems very plausible, I hate the fact that we have to sacrifice excellent judicial nominations for political reasons.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:20 am to goatmilker
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Well I would agree if in his 20-30 years on the scotus he only ever rules on cases concerning the 4th and Obama care. But that is a stupid assumption. Much of what is going on in DC right now is completely controlled by the mid-terms. If you wonder why DJT is not doing X or a committee won't move on Y or a safe to pass scotus pick is made there is your answer. Cause if the dems get control of the Senate nothing will get done thats good for the country for the next two years unless you consider constant attacks from the houses on DJT a good thing
Pretty much this.
He goes with one of the others and he gives the Red-state/Trump-state Dems that are up for re-election a colorable basis to object to the nomination and not vote for them with some political cover.
He's clearly the most "moderate" of what were 4 pretty conservative nominees, but shitting all over him and voting against him carries a lot of political peril and it will button up the support of the Senate GOP, which is what he absolutely needs.
Would I have preferred someone else? Yes. And when the GOP picks up Senate seats this next go around, he can put a hardliner in RBG's chair.
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