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The Kavanaugh nomination. I already have MAJOR concerns.

Posted on 7/11/18 at 8:58 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 8:58 am
Before I list my concerns I just want to say, on these judicial nominee assessments I rely on other peoples' opinions. I just don't have the time to dig in and make my own assessments. So I rely on people that have a long and credible track record of assessing these judicial nominees.

My first concern is on the 4th amendment. Justin Amash, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie all have expressed their angst with Kavanaugh's judicial decisions involving metadata and surveillance. I trust these guys. For a glimpse of Kavanaugh's decisions that potentially can have a negative impact on the 4th here are a few tweets by Amash:

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Kavanaugh is not another Gorsuch—not even close. Disappointing pick, particularly with respect to his #4thAmendment record. Future decisions on the constitutionality of government surveillance of Americans will be huge. We can’t afford a rubber stamp for the executive branch.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) July 9, 2018

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In 2015, Kavanaugh declared “the Government’s metadata collection program is entirely consistent with the Fourth Amendment.”

He cited Smith v. Maryland, a case whose facts bear almost no resemblance to the metadata program.

Gorsuch recently ripped SvM in a #4thAmendment case.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) July 9, 2018

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Kavanaugh: “Government’s program for bulk collection of telephony metadata serves a critically important special need—preventing terrorist attacks on the United States. In my view, that critical national security need outweighs the impact on privacy occasioned by this program.”

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) July 9, 2018



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The second concern is on the issue of Obamacare. During the Mark Levin podcast Mark read the 2013 oral arguments between Kavanaugh and White (attorney for the plaintiff) on the DC Circuit. In summary Kavanaugh argued that the Obamacare mandate was a tax thus giving the federal government the power to force you and me to purchase a product from a private company. Now the case in the DC circuit was never concluded because the circuit punted and said come back to me in 2015 when the mandate is enforced.

This was the same argument that John Roberts used along with the 4 liberal Supremes to hold up Obamacare. And of all people, moderate supreme Anthony Kennedy RIPPED the majority opinion in his dissent and effectively said, "you're just making up law now".

Kavanaugh says he's a textualist. That is difficult to believe after hearing that particular exchange between him and White in the DC circuit. He was justifying calling a mandate a tax in that exchange and he literally said, "'mandate' is just a label". Textualists don't make those kinds of arguments.

Third concern: Kavanaugh comes off as a GOPe golden boy. This is the establishment pick. The Bushs love him. The McConnell gang with McCain love him. That always raises a red flag for me.

Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.

I'm concerned.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 8:59 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57686 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:00 am to
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Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.


Wut.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48313 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:01 am to
His Fourth Amendment and policing power decisions definitely favor broad government power. The tax argument for Obamacare is completely irrational.


This is why Kethledge was a superior choice.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50122 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:03 am to
No he won’t. But he won’t be a Scalia either.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 9:04 am
Posted by GeauxTigers1983
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2015
561 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:04 am to
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Kethledge was a superior choice.


Exactly. I would have rather have Barrett or Kethledge
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
7966 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:06 am to
He was my least favorite of the final 4. However, we'll get another shot at it before the POTUS term is up. Dynamics are definitely in the Constitution's favor.
Posted by Taurus
Loozianna
Member since Feb 2015
4955 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:06 am to
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Third concern: Kavanaugh comes off as a GOPe golden boy. This is the establishment pick. The Bushs love him. The McConnell gang with McCain love him. That always raises a red flag for me.

Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.


Yep. Funny seeing "conservatives" going ga-ga over this pick. I hope it fails. Kavanaugh is at best another Kennedy and that is a loss for textualists.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:06 am to
You and most everyone else need to do a little research on "privacy rights". Prior to the '60s there wasn't an absolute or explicit right to privacy.

See Griswold v. Connecticut.... Wiki

Constitution Laws
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:08 am to
Lifelong DC resident.
Ivy League.
He's compromised.

I don't trust him. I hope the senate shitcans him and forces Trump to pick another Gorsuch.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48313 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:08 am to
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You and most everyone else need to do a little research on "privacy rights". Prior to the '60s there wasn't an absolute or explicit right to privacy.




No one is talking about Substantive Due Process. The concern, as laid out in the OP, is Fourth Amendment rights and the policing power.

Maybe YOU should do some more research.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64346 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:08 am to
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Kavanaugh seems risky. At this point he seems like the kind of guy that will help Roberts swing the court left of center.


Well I would agree if in his 20-30 years on the scotus he only ever rules on cases concerning the 4th and Obama care.

But that is a stupid assumption.

Much of what is going on in DC right now is completely controlled by the mid-terms. If you wonder why DJT is not doing X or a committee won't move on Y or a safe to pass scotus pick is made there is your answer.

Cause if the dems get control of the Senate nothing will get done thats good for the country for the next two years unless you consider constant attacks from the houses on DJT a good thing.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 9:10 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:09 am to
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Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:09 am to
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Well I would agree if in his 20-30 years on the scotus he only ever rules on cases concerning the 4th and Obama care.

But that is a stupid assumption.

Much of what is going on in DC right now is completely controlled by the mid-terms. If you wonder my DJT is not doing X or a committee won't move on Y or a safe to pass scotus pick is made there is your answer.

Cause if the dems get control of the Senate nothing will get done thats good for the country for the next two years unless you consider constant attacks from the houses on DJT a good thing.




THIS
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:09 am to
Nope just misread it
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118782 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:10 am to
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Wut.


To me Roberts as chief justice seems like a judge that is deeply concerned with optics. My perception of Roberts is that Roberts will make judicial decisions to make the court seem impartial and he relies on the MSM to be the arbiter of impartiality. That means left of center.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:11 am to
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To me Roberts as chief justice seems like a judge that is deeply concerned with optics

Agree

I think Kavanaugh is to the right of Roberts
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27068 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:13 am to
I've voiced my concerns elsewhere, so I won't repeat them, but in short, I agree with you.
Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
3135 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:16 am to
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quote: Kethledge was a superior choice. Exactly. I would have rather have Barrett or Kethledge


Trump's going to get at least one more SC appointment. This one required him to nominate someone who he knew he could get confirmed. If that happens before the midterms he drives a wedge into the Dems and grows the R majority in the Senate. Then he could get someone like Kethledge or Barrett.

I think the man is playing a good game of chess. He's picking his battles and winning them.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118782 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:19 am to
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Trump's going to get at least one more SC appointment. This one required him to nominate someone who he knew he could get confirmed. If that happens before the midterms he drives a wedge into the Dems and grows the R majority in the Senate. Then he could get someone like Kethledge or Barrett.

I think the man is playing a good game of chess. He's picking his battles and winning them.


If this is true, and it seems very plausible, I hate the fact that we have to sacrifice excellent judicial nominations for political reasons.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98809 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:20 am to
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Well I would agree if in his 20-30 years on the scotus he only ever rules on cases concerning the 4th and Obama care. But that is a stupid assumption. Much of what is going on in DC right now is completely controlled by the mid-terms. If you wonder why DJT is not doing X or a committee won't move on Y or a safe to pass scotus pick is made there is your answer. Cause if the dems get control of the Senate nothing will get done thats good for the country for the next two years unless you consider constant attacks from the houses on DJT a good thing


Pretty much this.

He goes with one of the others and he gives the Red-state/Trump-state Dems that are up for re-election a colorable basis to object to the nomination and not vote for them with some political cover.

He's clearly the most "moderate" of what were 4 pretty conservative nominees, but shitting all over him and voting against him carries a lot of political peril and it will button up the support of the Senate GOP, which is what he absolutely needs.

Would I have preferred someone else? Yes. And when the GOP picks up Senate seats this next go around, he can put a hardliner in RBG's chair.
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