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re: The IRS has "lost" all Lois Lerner emails to and from the White House, DOJ...
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:19 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:19 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Look at the firings? Not adequately according to the 358 page report of the Inspector General of the Bush administration's DOJ:
Didn't the DOJ look at them?
quote:Link above.
We believe the primary responsibility for these serious failures rest with senior Department leaders – Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty – who abdicated their responsibility to adequately oversee the process and to ensure that the reasons for removal of each U.S. Attorney were supportable and not improper. These removals were not a minor personnel matter – they were an unprecedented removal of a group
of high-level Department officials that was certain to raise concerns if not handled properly. Yet, neither the Attorney General nor the Deputy Attorney General provided adequate oversight or supervision of this process. We also
concluded that Sampson bears significant responsibility for the flawed and arbitrary removal process. Moreover, they and other Department officials are responsible for failing to provide accurate and truthful statements about the removals and their role in the process.
So we had Karl Rove pulling the strings of the hiring and firing of US Attorneys with inadequate review from the AG and we had the WH refusing to cooperate fully with their own DOJ's investigation.
Yet we hear every day how this is the most corrupt Administration of all time.
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:25 pm to Vegas Bengal
It only took you 14 pages but you successfully derailed the thread. Congrats.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:30 pm to Vegas Bengal
So the Bush administration fired some Attorneys for not pursuing voter fraud vigorously enough? Why on earth would that be such an issue?
Oh...
So again, your response to the very possible event that the Obama administration used the IRS to target voter groups of an opposing political alignment is that "Bush fired attorneys he himself hired because they wouldn't investigate voter fraud so it must be political"?
Maybe you're confusing holding an employee accountable with politics? It's so uncommon in DC that it would be an easy mistake to make. ;)
Oh...
So again, your response to the very possible event that the Obama administration used the IRS to target voter groups of an opposing political alignment is that "Bush fired attorneys he himself hired because they wouldn't investigate voter fraud so it must be political"?
Maybe you're confusing holding an employee accountable with politics? It's so uncommon in DC that it would be an easy mistake to make. ;)
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:30 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Harding, Grant, and Nixon would hope so.
Yet we hear every day how this is the most corrupt Administration of all time.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:32 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
These removals were not a minor personnel matter – they were an unprecedented removal of a group
of high-level Department officials that was certain to raise concerns if not handled properly.
The only unprecedented thing I have been able to find on this is that they were all attorneys that Bush had put in place. Am I missing something else?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:35 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:If that's true, it is not acceptable. If OTOH Rove was ID'ing episodic fraud and a reticence to deal with it, I have less problem with it. IMO, the Franken Minnesota election was a sad example of both the problem, and its effect.
So we had Karl Rove pulling the strings of the hiring and firing of US Attorneys
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:44 pm to NIH
I really don't know why anyone responds to her. She's irrational and usually turns to personal attacks.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:48 pm to NC_Tigah
I hate to get personal, but if VB ain't getting a paycheck to pull stuff like that last equivocation out his arse...then I reckon I'm just become too biased to even recognize the truth when it stares me in the face. Either it's me...or VB.
I guess that if the extremes to which people will go to defend/promote their Ideology was not of full Youtube display...I'd really be worried.
It's coming unglued.
I guess that if the extremes to which people will go to defend/promote their Ideology was not of full Youtube display...I'd really be worried.
It's coming unglued.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 5:10 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
If you want the "Bush did it too" defense to stop, then stop claiming Obama is the worst and Democrats defend their president unlike Republicans because both claims are bullshite.
You are f'ing insane.
Bush is and was criticized by cons/Reps here all the time.
The bunker mentality of you assholes when it comes to Obama borders on pathological and is completely dissimilar to the approach taken by those on the right with regards to Republicans in power.
You people are quasi-religious when it comes to Obama.
He's shitting in every bed he can find to lay down in and no matter the circumstances, it's defend Obama and attack Bush.
It's pathetic.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 5:29 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Lemmie guess... You defended Bush for his actions?
f you want the "Bush did it too" defense to stop, then stop claiming Obama is the worst and Democrats defend their president unlike Republicans because both claims are bullshite.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 6:26 pm to Taxing Authority
Vegas Bengal gonna Vegas Bengal.
He defends Obama with lies, deception and sometimes even half-truths, and then claims not to be that enamored with the guy. Geaux figure.
He defends Obama with lies, deception and sometimes even half-truths, and then claims not to be that enamored with the guy. Geaux figure.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:29 pm to Scoop
quote:except today when Bard et al are defending him. STILL defending him against charges made by his own DOJ.
Bush is and was criticized by cons/Reps here all the time.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:32 pm to KCT
quote:
Vegas Bengal
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:35 pm to Ace Midnight
The e-mails are in the bush? so the talking point is to blame bush
not sure what bush has to do with anything here but i suspect some criminal behavior by some powerful folks in this scandal, thus the coverup. What really is shocking is the media is AWOL but that probably should be a shock.
not sure what bush has to do with anything here but i suspect some criminal behavior by some powerful folks in this scandal, thus the coverup. What really is shocking is the media is AWOL but that probably should be a shock.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:37 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
I'm simply pointing out how wrong Ace is
I don't know why people love to try this.
I'm pretty doggone right, most of the time.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:50 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
except today when Bard et al are defending him. STILL defending him against charges made by his own DOJ.
I'm not defending him, I'm saying it's ludicrous to compare that to this and say they are equal. To paraphrase the late William F. Buckley, you are comparing someone who pushes down an old woman in order to steal her purse to someone who pushes down an old woman to get her out of the way of a speeding bus because they both push down old women.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:52 pm to jb4
quote:
not sure what bush has to do with anything here
Nothing. Someone mentioned something about how Rep & Dem stood together against Nixon and his tapes, someone mentioned Bush and VB started frothing at the mouth with glee at the distraction.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:54 pm to Bard
At least VB is no longer denying that the WH was involved in this IRS scandal.
He's just pretending it's no big deal and that Bush did the same kind of stuff.
He's just pretending it's no big deal and that Bush did the same kind of stuff.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:00 pm to moneyg
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:00 am to jb4
Thanks for the link. Very good points made by everyone on the panel.
Getting back to the main point, though: the crash of Lois Lerner's hard drive doesn't matter. By policy, her correspondence with the WH and other agencies should have been printed out and filed as paper.
By practice, those emails went through a server. Even if the server was purged periodically, it would have been backed up/archived prior to purging. No IT person I've ever heard of does any major work on a device without backing it up first.
Hell, my wife was having trouble with her iPhone recently, and the first thing they did was back up her entire phone to the cloud.
This story is such BS. Lois Lerner could be the most despicable person in DC outside of Holder.
Getting back to the main point, though: the crash of Lois Lerner's hard drive doesn't matter. By policy, her correspondence with the WH and other agencies should have been printed out and filed as paper.
By practice, those emails went through a server. Even if the server was purged periodically, it would have been backed up/archived prior to purging. No IT person I've ever heard of does any major work on a device without backing it up first.
Hell, my wife was having trouble with her iPhone recently, and the first thing they did was back up her entire phone to the cloud.
This story is such BS. Lois Lerner could be the most despicable person in DC outside of Holder.
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