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re: The intellectual dishonesty behind the “muh drumpf said witch hunt” narrative
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:08 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:08 pm to Sentrius
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No you're the fricking simpleton here believing that Trump colluded with the russians
Link bitch?
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Even if they did, I can promise you that they have a shite ton of buyer's remorse right now as Trump has been more harsh on Russia than Obama ever was.
Drug kicking and screaming all the way. And all they got for it was half the country filled with fricks like you who now draw moral equivalence between our law enforcement and intelligence institutions with the fricking Russian government. Vlad playing the long game. 5D space chess.
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Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:08 pm to AUbused
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they found no bias in his actions. This being the IG report that, according to this forum, was supposed to prove that high ups in the FBI were involved in a soft coup!
Uh I never believed that the IG was going to bring the hammer down on the DOJ and the FBI. My post history will tell you that.
Horowitz did everything he could to give republicans and democrats something.
Classic both sidesism.
The problem with the IG report is that it looked at damn near everything in a vacuum without giving a single shite about context because that was the only way the could make the report as half baked as it could be.
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What I see is a smear campaign against US institutions being supported by people who profess to love the country
It's not a smear campaign if its right and those institutions are still failing to get Trump.
Did Trump collude with the Russians or not?
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:10 pm to AUbused
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Vlad playing the long game. 5D space chess.
Your meltdown today is incredible and you have severely embarrassed yourself again
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:11 pm to Sentrius
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Sentrius
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AUbused
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:12 pm to AUbused
Your ilk has sat here for two got damn years and accused Trump of colluding with the Russians to steal the election. You know full well "witch hunt" refers to the bullshite "Trump colluded with the Russians" narrative.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:14 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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thebigmuffaletta
Registered on: 8/29/2017
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Your ilk has sat here for two got damn years and accused Trump of colluding with the Russians to steal the election.
So, who do you belong to?
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:14 pm to Sentrius
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Uh DU, reddit, TD.com liberals all saying that everyday since November 2016.
Ohh well all those people certainly matter in the context of a federal investigation.
Tell me where in the legal docs I can find where JoeReddits opinion on collusion weighed into the FBI proceeedings. quote:
Oh and btw, why is Mueller indicating Russians he knows will never see a single step on American soil?
I was unaware the Mueller had stronger options? What would you have him do exactly with the 12 individuals in the Russian military?
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Uh that investigating body went after a duly elected President and leaked like a motherfricker to accuse him of being a traitor without any evidence at all or even one single confirmed crime.
Wait WHAT? The Mueller investigation has been a crazy tight ship. The problem has been rampant speculation and fan fiction on both sides. Not to mention a POTUS who can't go a day without bringing it up. I have always maintained that people need to shut the frick up about the investigation because people who are talking about it have no clue what they are talking about. Which, as it turns out, is exactly what RR said today.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:16 pm to AUbused
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? The Mueller investigation has been a crazy tight ship.
This is complete bullshite
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:17 pm to AUbused
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Link bitch?
Dude, do I look like a give a frick whether or not you believe that Trump colluded with the russians when you're still defending the same corrupt institutions that did everything it could to accuse him of treason without evidence through leaks and spying on him?
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Drug kicking and screaming all the way.
You're a moron if you believe that Trump was dragged kicking and screaming to do more than match the bare minimum of what Obama did.
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And all they got for it was half the country filled with fricks like you who now draw moral equivalence between our law enforcement and intelligence institutions with the fricking Russian government.
Correct.
And the other half is filled with fricks like you who are defending corruption, slanderous accusations from an entire political party and sustained legal harassment from the DOJ and FBI.
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Vlad playing the long game. 5D space chess.
I can promise you that Vlad does not like Trump right now because he is tougher than Obama ever was.
You're a goddamn moron.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:26 pm to Sentrius
Im about to go cook some burgers and then hit the driving range, but I will give you an honest answer on this. Ill just be called a liar or someone will bring up some random troll, but what the hell do I care about the opinion of the PT. If I wanted acceptance here I'd gargle Trumps balls like all of you
My opinion on this question has always been that IF the Trump campaign did anything to "collude" with Russia it was not to enable the hacking itself, but would instead be more along the lines of coordinating with the owners of the hacked information(post hack) to release/disseminate that information. I don't even know if thats illegal, but thats as far as I ever felt it might have gone. I think the jury is still out on that one but my guess is Roger Stone is pretty nervous right now. And yes yes, I know he was fired.
Ill give you credit for this. At least you haven't gone full Trumptard and blamed the deep state yet. But you're still a hack arse retard. Later
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Did Trump collude with the Russians or not?
My opinion on this question has always been that IF the Trump campaign did anything to "collude" with Russia it was not to enable the hacking itself, but would instead be more along the lines of coordinating with the owners of the hacked information(post hack) to release/disseminate that information. I don't even know if thats illegal, but thats as far as I ever felt it might have gone. I think the jury is still out on that one but my guess is Roger Stone is pretty nervous right now. And yes yes, I know he was fired.
Ill give you credit for this. At least you haven't gone full Trumptard and blamed the deep state yet. But you're still a hack arse retard. Later
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:29 pm to AUbused
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Ohh well all those people certainly matter in the context of a federal investigation.
Actually I'll do you better here.
Would morons like Eric Swalwell, Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff suffice? You know actual members of Congress?
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I was unaware the Mueller had stronger options? What would you have him do exactly with the 12 individuals in the Russian military?
Nothing.
That's not a federal prosecutor's job. Especially in the context of a counter intelligence probe.
These indictments are nothing more than cheap PR that Vladmir Putin will wipe his arse with.
Again, a foreign power interferes with an election and our response is to file a lawsuit?
GTFO.
No, the proper response is through sanctions, espionage and retaliatory actions like hacking of our own.
Oh and this was touched on in a column on NRO back in February.
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The Russia probe has been a counterintelligence investigation, as it should be. That is why I’ve complained from the first that it was inappropriate to put a prosecutor in charge of it. This contention is reiterated in my weekend column. The main thrust of this complaint has been that a prosecutor should not be assigned unless there is first strong evidence of a crime. But that is not the half of it.
A government lawyer is a hammer who sees every problem as the nail of a lawsuit. As we saw in the Clinton and Obama years (and will tend to see in transnational-progressive governments that prize legal processes over the pursuit of national interests by the most effective means available), administrations dominated by government lawyers find even belligerent provocations by a foreign power to be fit for judicial resolution.
To the contrary, we use counterintelligence rather than criminal investigation to thwart foreign adversaries because prosecution is a woefully inadequate response. The point of counterintelligence is to gather information so we can stop our enemies, through meaningful retaliation and discouragement. Generally, that means diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and, in extreme cases, military means. It could mean deploying our own cyber capabilities. The idea is not to invade every rogue nation. It is to respond to provocations in a manner that hurts our rivals — conveying that the prohibitive cost we will exact makes attacking us against their interests.
That cannot be accomplished by a mere indictment on which no one will be tried.
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Wait WHAT?
Are you forgetting the first few months of the Trump administration? Constant leaks from the DOJ and IC about Michael Flynn and the contents of the dossier which only happened after Comey and Clapper barely briefed Trump about smallest details of that dossier?
Comey leaking slanderous bullshite about a dinner meeting, letting the Flynn thing go and loyalty to get Mueller appointed?
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The Mueller investigation has been a crazy tight ship.
Actually Mueller's right hand guy in Weismann is suspected of mishandling grand jury information about Manafort and his lawyers brought that up recently.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:33 pm to AUbused
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IF the Trump campaign did anything to "collude" with Russia it was not to enable the hacking itself, but would instead be more along the lines of coordinating with the owners of the hacked information(post hack) to release/disseminate that information. I don't even know if thats illegal, but thats as far as I ever felt it might have gone.
Even if they colluded, that's still not illegal.
Prosecutors don't care about collusion, they care about conspiracy. Conspiracy to commit a crime.
That's what Mueller is after and why he still has nothing that we know of so far and why has been letting all american actors off easy with the exception of Manafort who was indicted on charges that has nothing to do with collusion.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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And I am already getting downvoted by dishonest retards I am done trying to discuss stuff with the loony left on here. You have absolutely zero interest to do anything but fling shite and run away God damn frustrating, man
Upvoted. People have preconceived views of posters, 97% don’t use critical thinking. Willienelsonsdoobie...downvote!!! Be damned your post
I think you put way more thought into what “Witch Hunt” means and PDT’s reason for using it.
This post was edited on 7/13/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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And I am already getting downvoted by dishonest retards
It’s possible that you’re getting downvotes because the post isn’t terribly coherent. On one hand it looks like you’re supporting the “witch hunt” narrative.
As many on the right are down voting as on the left based on pure numbers.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:45 pm to DEG
Everbody take it easy on Hail. It's been a hard day and there's gotta be a lot of cognitive dissonance there.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 4:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Why doesn't Trump believe Russia hacked the DNC?
It's all part and parcel of his witch hunt narrative
It's all part and parcel of his witch hunt narrative
Posted on 7/13/18 at 5:00 pm to JuiceTerry
I wish the DNC would let the FBI or some Ic group investigate what got hacked. Too much speculation and conspiracy at this point
Posted on 7/13/18 at 5:11 pm to Sentrius
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I can promise you that Vlad does not like Trump right now because he is tougher than Obama ever was.
You like the Trump Juice i see.
Proof of fact that Trump has been more harsh with sanctions than Obama? We’ll wait. * taps foot *
Posted on 7/13/18 at 5:14 pm to WillieNelsonsDoobie
Obama did so much after Russia took Crimea.....
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