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re: The Inevitable breakup of the United States

Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:41 am to
Posted by AnarchySupporter
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:41 am to
Well technically it could break down like this, and I'll go ahead and change it to 5 countries:

Northeast Country: New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware

Midwest Country: Ohio, West Virginia, a small part of northern Virginia (to give them access to the Atlantic Ocean and not be landlocked), Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri

Big Sky Country: Texas, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah

West Coast Country: California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada

Southeast Country: Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, most of Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas

5 countries, similar cultures, all have access to a major body of water and are not landlocked.

Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:43 am to
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5 countries, similar cultures, all have access to a major body of water and are not landlocked.



Pretty retarded even for this board.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:44 am to
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Let liberals have their utopia they've wanted for so long and the rest of us can live in reality.


This I fully support. It will allow everyone to see that the type of economic system they want doesn't work in the long run. I'd imagine 5-10 years after they set up their utopia they will be asking for help.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:44 am to
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I honestly though Obama would try to declare a National Emergency to stay in office
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This whole election cycle has shown just how far off the deep end the left has gone
Irony
Posted by AnarchySupporter
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:46 am to
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Won't happen. Countries that have split recently have split on the basis of language and religion and ethnicity. English and Spanish for example are spread all over the United States. You can be in one block where people are speaking Spanish or Korean in Chicago and New York and Atlanta and then another block where it's English.

You can't divided a country based on political ideology since that can change quite easily and through time.

You white nationalists can dream about your own white nation but it won't happen. Just keep to your Turner Diaries fan fiction.


That's the whole point (outside of your stupid white nationalist comment), the liberals will be able to have their countries where religion and God himself is either extremely limited or downright outlawed, which is what they want. They can have their open society where all ethnicities are welcomes. They can have their urban utopias.

The conservatives can have their countries where English is the official language and the only language on government documents. A country that acknowledges that it is a Christian based society, and while not forcing Christianity on its citizens, acknowledges that it will not act in a vacuum with no influence from Christianity.

Heck the Big Sky country could have hardly any government if they want and largely just be the wild west if they want. The countries would not just be split geographically but also based on culture, religion and language.

Yes a lot of people would have to move to the country of their choosing but that's why I said I would give it a 10 year transition period.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:48 am to
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The conservatives can have their countries where English is the official language and the only language on government documents. A country that acknowledges that it is a Christian based society, and while not forcing Christianity on its citizens, acknowledges that it will not act in a vacuum with no influence from Christianity.

Heck the Big Sky country could have hardly any government if they want and largely just be the wild west if they want. The countries would not just be split geographically but also based on culture, religion and language.


Like I said, Turner Diaries fan fiction.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:48 am to
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AnarchySupporter
Registered on: 12/26/2016



K.

So whose alter are you?
Posted by AnarchySupporter
Member since Dec 2016
383 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:48 am to
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Irony


Am I that crazy? Obama himself keeps spewing that he would've won a third term and how popular he is, despite what a lot of polls say. Of course Obama would never go to Appalachia where he has eliminated all their jobs and is hated.

Obama's comments after the election show that he truly views himself as a king, and IMO that is very dangerous thinking.
Posted by AnarchySupporter
Member since Dec 2016
383 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:50 am to
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Like I said, Turner Diaries fan fiction.


Funny, out of my descriptions of what those countries would be did I ever mention anything about race in it? I don't see race mentioned anywhere in there last I checked.

Do you really think the country in its current condition with conservatives and liberals so divided will be able to stand long term? Do you really believe that?

Do you really want to live oppressed by liberals in their liberal society? Is that a better solution in your mind? Newsflash, a couple million votes swing the other way and that's what would've happened with Hilary Clinton.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 8:52 am
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:52 am to
I've got several democrats in my family. I don't want them to have to move across the country just so that you don't have to interact with people who have a different perspective than you.

I respect that you're trying to argue your point honestly, but this is a complete non-starter of a proposal for 95% of the country.

You'd be far better served arguing for marginal changes than something as monumental as this. You might actually be able to make a difference that way
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:01 am
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:53 am to
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That's the whole point (outside of your stupid white nationalist comment), the liberals will be able to have their countries where religion and God himself is either extremely limited or downright outlawed, which is what they want. They can have their open society where all ethnicities are welcomes. They can have their urban utopias. The conservatives can have their countries where English is the official language and the only language on government documents. A country that acknowledges that it is a Christian based society, and while not forcing Christianity on its citizens, acknowledges that it will not act in a vacuum with no influence from Christianity. Heck the Big Sky country could have hardly any government if they want and largely just be the wild west if they want. The countries would not just be split geographically but also based on culture, religion and language. Yes a lot of people would have to move to the country of their choosing but that's why I said I would give it a 10 year transition period.
I imagine that most people will stay where they are, but those who move are going to do so for economic/quality of life reasons--not because they want to be around people who look and pray like they do.

I've actually considered how such a fracturing would look and I think your rough breakdown is probably pretty close to how it would go (except we're not giving Hawaii or Alaska away. Presumably Hawaii would want to join the Pacific States and Alaska would team up with the square States. Be interesting to see how things shake out and who the winners and losers will ultimately be.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:55 am to
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a couple million votes


Less than 78k votes would've done it.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:55 am to
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I'm 32 years old and I fully expect to see the break up of the United States in my lifetime.



Thanks for reminding me never to take you seriously under any circumstances
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
9144 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:56 am to
You might not be crazy, but this was 100% a crazy claim.

If you can't see that, then it's hard to argue that the left has become more detached from reality than you have (in my perspective, of course)
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
9144 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:59 am to
It would definitely be interesting. Just extremely unlikely to happen in reality.

OP would be better served writing a fiction novel based in such a world than arguing for it's actual implementation over message boards.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:00 am to
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It would definitely be interesting. Just extremely unlikely to happen in reality. OP would be better served writing a fiction novel based in such a world than arguing for it's actual implementation over message boards.
Indeed.
Posted by AnarchySupporter
Member since Dec 2016
383 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:02 am to
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I've got several democrats in my family. I don't want them to have to move across the country just so that you don't have to interact with people who have a different perspective than you.

I respect that you're try to argue your point honestly, but this is a complete non-starter of a proposal for 95% of the country.

You'd be far better served arguing for marginal changes than something as monumental as this. You might actually be able to make a difference that way


I never said this whole process would be easy. While all of my immediate family (parents, siblings) are conservative in my extended family I have several liberals, including one who is pretty hard core liberal. Given we aren't crazy close but it wouldn't be easy. I never said sacrifices wouldn't have to be made. In many people's case they would have to decide whether they can live in a country that disagrees with everything they are and/or believe in to be close to family or whether they would move away from some family to be with people who share their values and beliefs. This has happened throughout history.

I understand this will never happen peacefully, but I wish it would. Since it won't the country will probably end up burning. No country can stay together when it's so divided, that is the flaw of a multi-cultural country., there's little to hold it together. A white rancher in Oklahoma has nothing in common with a black broadway performer in NYC. This country will not come together unless another World War broke out, if anything this country will drift further and further apart. How do you really think that will end?
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:05 am
Posted by AnarchySupporter
Member since Dec 2016
383 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:08 am to
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I never said this whole process would be easy. While all of my immediate family (parents, siblings) are conservative in my extended family I have several liberals, including one who is pretty hard core liberal. Given we aren't crazy close but it wouldn't be easy. I never said sacrifices wouldn't have to be made. In many people's case they would have to decide whether they can live in a country that disagrees with everything they are and/or believe in to be close to family or whether they would move away from some family to be with people who share their values and beliefs. This has happened throughout history.

I understand this will never happen peacefully, but I wish it would. Since it won't the country will probably end up burning. No country can stay together when it's so divided, that is the flaw of a multi-cultural country., there's little to hold it together. A white rancher in Oklahoma has nothing in common with a black broadway performer in NYC. This country will not come together unless another World War broke out, if anything this country will drift further and further apart. How do you really think that will end?


I want to take one thing back from my last post. Honestly with the way the country is nowadays even if World War III broke out I don't think this country would truly come together. It would to an extent but in no way like it did for World War I and World War II. You'd probably have a lot of people in the U.S. hoping the other side wins, especially if the enemy was Mexico, China, Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Heck if it was against Mexico then Mexico would instantly have millions of potential sleeper agents across the entire U.S. Everyone laughs when the Mexicans in the U.S. cheer for Mexico against the U.S. in soccer, but where would their loyalties lie if the U.S. and Mexico declared war on each other.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:11 am
Posted by Knight of Old
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:09 am to
You sure you don't mean athletic supporter?
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:11 am to
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So my question is this, why not just get it over with? Have a peaceful split up that takes about 10 years and allows each individual country to set up their own government


No such thing.

How will they determine the splitting of military assets? And how could one let that technology be in the control of another free to ally with any country they see fit?

There will be a winner and a loser in the split, and the loser will not lose by their own will.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:13 am
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