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re: The Greatest Moments in Presidential History
Posted on 8/29/14 at 4:52 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 8/29/14 at 4:52 pm to Sentrius
I always looked at the Kennedy quote as meaning that anyone that would have a thought of what their country can do for them should make an effort to have the opposite thought.
I've tried not to see it as a universal that each individual must inherently decide between the two.
I've tried not to see it as a universal that each individual must inherently decide between the two.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 4:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Knowing what he meant and what he actually said are two different things.
Even stupid people in the 30's knew what he meant.
I know what he meant. I'm just saying its a stupid quote that sounds good until you think about it and realize it doesn't make any logical sense.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 4:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Knowing what he meant and what he actually said are two different things.
But the former is more important than the latter.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 5:05 pm to Scoop
I actually think "you didn't build that" is much, much more troubling.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 5:25 pm to tracytiger
Many of the problems we face today are a direct result of FDRs domestic policies.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 5:39 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I know what he meant. I'm just saying its a stupid quote that sounds good until you think about it and realize it doesn't make any logical sense.
You are really being too literal here. The phenomenon of bank runs was a visceral reality that Americans were very cognizant of. This was true for both individuals and companies/corporate entities. Individuals pulling their money out of banks because of fear of the bank closing was causing banks to close. Same principal for the stock market.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 5:52 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Knowing what he meant and what he actually said are two different things. I know what he meant. I'm just saying its a stupid quote that sounds good until you think about it and realize it doesn't make any logical sense.
Do you really think anyone expected Mr. Gorbachev to personally tear down the wall?
Wouldn't it have made more sense to say, "Mr. Gorbachev, have this wall torn down"?
Yet it's still a great quote - regardless of if, while grammatically correct, it was literally ridiculous.
Sometimes we shouldn't take things so literally.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:03 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Do you really think anyone expected Mr. Gorbachev to personally tear down the wall?
Wouldn't it have made more sense to say, "Mr. Gorbachev, have this wall torn down"?
Yet it's still a great quote - regardless of if, while grammatically correct, it was literally ridiculous.
Sometimes we shouldn't take things so literally.
I was not really into politics at the time, but wasn't it a foregone conclusion that the Berlin Wall was coming down when Reagan made his speech?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:22 pm to mmcgrath
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I was not really into politics at the time, but wasn't it a foregone conclusion that the Berlin Wall was coming down when Reagan made his speech?
I wouldn't say it was a foregone conclusion, but I was in Berlin the summer after Reagan gave the speech. I remember walking along the wall, near the Reichstag. As I was walking along, I looked up at one of the East German guard towers that appeared at regular intervals looming over the wall. I noticed the guards intently looking towards West Berlin through binoculars - towards the Reichstag. I wondered what could possibly capture their attention to that extent and looked over and saw what was obviously an American family walking along. How could I instantly recognize them as American? The short shorts the teenage girls were wearing. The binoculars made perfect sense in that instant.
Walking a little further, I came to the next tower. From it I could hear rock and roll playing. I waved up at them, and they waved back. It occurred to me at that moment that it wouldn't be long. Now, granted, I was probably influenced by the speech, but going there and experiancing it personally brought it home.
But I also remember it was almost two years later when the east Germans opened the border with Hungary I was still sort of shocked. I may have expected it, but it was still something of a shock when it actually happened. And from there, it all tumbled down rather quickly.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:31 pm to PrimeTime Money
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PrimeTime Money
Please tell me that you are just stirring shite and you aren't as stupid regarding history and economics as you appear.
Even if, as I suspect, you really are that damn stupid, lie to me anyway.
That level of blatant ignorance is truly depressing.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:32 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:41 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:And what did I say to make you think this?
Please tell me that you are just stirring shite and you aren't as stupid regarding history and economics as you appear.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:50 pm to PrimeTime Money
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And what did I say to make you think this?
"I'd just like to say... that famous FDR quote is dumb as shite. It doesn't even make sense."
"No... it makes no logical sense.
If you can explain it, go for it. I bet you cannot. I know you cannot."
"I'm just saying its a stupid quote that sounds good until you think about it and realize it doesn't make any logical sense."
Not exactly enlightened statements
I have a hard time understanding how anybody could be ignorant of the conditions in the US and the world at the time that FDR said that.
Either you are seriously undereducated or are just trying to be some sort of internet badass in order to mask your ignorance.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:53 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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CLINTON: I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.
FIFY
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:55 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:Nothing I said had anything to do with history or economics.
I have a hard time understanding how anybody could be ignorant of the conditions in the US and the world at the time that FDR said that.
I was talking about the logic behind the phrasing "nothing to fear but fear itself".
Maybe it's you who is dumb as shite if your reading comprehension is that poor.
quote:I'm not the one who started talking shite.
or are just trying to be some sort of internet badass in order to mask your ignorance.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:03 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I was talking about the logic behind the phrasing "nothing to fear but fear itself".
If you had the brains of a rock you would understand the meaning and intent of that phrase. You don't so you try to cover up with bland obscenities. Let me guess, you think that Reagan's "It's Morning in America" commercials were about daybreak?
Life is deeper than you understand isn't it? I'm not surprised.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:It makes perfect sense if you understand the difference between faith and fear.
I'd just like to say... that famous FDR quote is dumb as shite. It doesn't even make sense.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:09 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:I know what he meant by the phrase. I'm saying the phrase itself is not logical.
If you had the brains of a rock you would understand the meaning and intent of that phrase.
For example...
A lot of people say "I could care less". We know what they mean. They mean "I couldn't care less".
We know that they mean they couldn't care less, but it doesn't change the fact that they are incorrect when they say they could care less.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I'm saying the phrase itself is not logical.
You really are out of your depth aren't you?
Understanding human psychology and how to exploit is a trait most great politicians have.
It's an entirely logical statement especially given the circumstances.
We agree on one thing. A lot of people say stupid things,"I'd just like to say... that famous FDR quote is dumb as shite. It doesn't even make sense" immediately comes to mind.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:29 pm to Gray Tiger
It's an impossible statement. It's a paradox.
But whatever, I'm out. Enjoy your Friday night.
But whatever, I'm out. Enjoy your Friday night.
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