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The Democratic plan for a 42% national sales tax

Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:02 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123782 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:02 am
Fake News!
There is no Democrat plan for a 42% national sales tax. Dumb title.
But the article does point out the extreme taxes requisite in paying for “Medicare for All.”
quote:

The Democratic plan for a 42% national sales tax
By Rick Newman
October 28, 2019


If you’re a Democrat who supports “Medicare for All,” pick your poison. You can ruin your political career and immolate your party by imposing a ruinous new sales tax, a gargantuan income tax hike or a surtax on corporate income that would wreck thousands of businesses.
...

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB) has done voters a favor by spelling out what kinds of new taxes it would take to come up with that much money. Warren justifies many of her programs by saying all it would take is “two cents” from the wealthy. That’s a reference to her 2% wealth tax on ultra-millionaires. But Medicare for All would be so expensive that if you taxed top earners at 100%—that’s right, if you took all the income of couples earning more than $408,000 per year—you’d still fall far short. And everybody getting taxed at 100% would obviously stop working.

Okay, that won’t do it. So what will? CRFB outlined a variety of options. A 42% national sales tax (known as a valued-added tax) would generate about $3 trillion in revenue. But it would destroy the consumer spending that’s the backbone of the U.S. economy. A tax of that magnitude would be like 42% inflation, wrecking consumer budgets and the many companies that depend on them, from Walmart and Amazon to your local car dealer.

Other options include a 32% payroll tax split between employers and workers or a 25% income surtax on everybody. Or, the government could cut 80% of spending on everything but health care, which would include highways, airports and the Pentagon. Or here’s a good one: Just borrow the money and quadruple Washington’s annual deficits.

The best idea might be charging every enrollee in the new program $7,500 per year, so they’d be paying directly for the coverage they’re getting. Some people pay more than that now for health care, by purchasing insurance outright or sacrificing pay raises in exchange for employer coverage. It would still be a nifty trick to propose that to voters. . .

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Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:09 am to
What's not fake news is nothing in life is free, someone has to pay for it...

So how much do Green New Deals and Medicare for EVERY person that can find their way over our border, college tuition for everyone and wiping out student debt COST?

A couple hundred TRILLION dollars?

Where's that coming from?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59606 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:10 am to
And yet, these are the same people that argue against a national retail sales tax that would completely replace the income tax, at 23%. HR 25 would be 100% revenue-neutral. But they don't like that plan, but this one sounds like a great idea? What the actual frick?
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:11 am to
quote:

The best idea might be charging every enrollee in the new program $7,500 per year,




So would my family of 4 be paying $30k/year? LMFAO
Posted by TigerWhatIR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2013
911 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:16 am to
Don’t like other people’s opinions dictating how much money gets stolen from you and which basket of socialized services it gets spent on? Then stop supporting the government instead of the free market.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9245 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:30 am to
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So would my family of 4 be paying $30k/year? LMFAO

At these rates, you are better off with no insurance. Pay out of pocket, save the unused portion of the $30k each year, and in just 4 years you'd have over a $100k nest egg, in case something big happened to someone.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45797 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:34 am to
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At these rates, you are better off with no insurance. Pay out of pocket, save the unused portion of the $30k each year, and in just 4 years you'd have over a $100k nest egg, in case something big happened to someone.


I bet opting out would not be an option...
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7832 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:36 am to
The whole point of the article is to show the unsustainability of this program.

People like to point to European countries and say we can do that. The model won't work for a few reasons:

1. Americans are notoriously unhealthy. This comes from personal decisions and dieting that allows for an undue burden on our healthcare system. We do not have a healthcare supply problem. We have a demand problem.

2. Due to number 1, the price tag cannot be covered by all of the wealth of the 1%. It doesn't exist. Pie in the sky bullshite. Everyone will foot the bill.

3. Everyone doesn't already foot the bill. Therefore those that do, will get an even larger portion of the bill.

We need to focus on what can be done to relieve the burden on our system. Just look at the leading causes of death in the US.
Posted by ShakeandBake
Member since Aug 2019
1159 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:51 am to
Nailed it. The issue is about preventative care and lifestyle changes to lessen the need for more extensive treatment later. But those lifestyle changes require discipline and effort, especially when you consider how much money companies spend to market junk to people and how convenient it is to just go by the drive through to grab something quick.
Posted by 31TIGERS
Mike’s habitat
Member since Dec 2004
7219 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:04 am to
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3. Everyone doesn't already foot the bill. Therefore those that do, will get an even larger portion of the bill.


THIS x's infinity! What those dumbasses don't realize is that BEFORE that shite sandwich called obamacare was forced upon legal, working, American taxpaying citizens, we were already paying for those that just flat out didn't want to work. With the unfortunate passage of obamacare it only doubled, tripled, and in some cases more than quadrupled private insurance premiums JUST TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT to work or take care of their own crap.

What that means is that there were not billions and billions of people dying in the streets before obamacare and there will not be billions and billions of people dying in the streets once (hopefully) obamacare is completely dismantled.

Moral of the story with all of this is that NOTHING is free, liberals are once again lying and pushing propaganda, and water is still wet.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11077 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:19 am to
If they could somehow tie your "premium" or tax progressively, I would have no problem with a national healthcare system for catastrophic treatment. And when I say progessive, I mean the people who cost more pay more. We all know that would never happen lol

The entire problem with cost is that tax payers pay for 67% of the total national healthcare spending. Driving that up to 100% will increase the magnitude of our current system. That's what's so hilariuos.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 9:24 am
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7832 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:26 am to
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preventative care and lifestyle change


You know, I can never support government overreach, but I'd bet any amount of money that if we were to outlaw sugar enriched and processed foods, or tax them into oblivion, you would see some significant changes in the overall health of the American population.

This would significantly unburden our healthcare model. At which point, I would be open to considering some sort of preventative care program. But not government run. They frick everything up.
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