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re: The decline of religious faith in America and what that means for our future
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Even now church is merely a tool to meet and connect with people or find a spouse. The theological side is kind of secondary to the social yearning of the people in attendance.
I read an article recently that said the large majority of youth ministries are failures and produce few true consistent converts. That’s sad
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:15 pm to Lynxrufus2012
This country is headed for Hades in a hand basket.
Glad I have made prior arrangements!
Glad I have made prior arrangements!
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:16 pm to TuckyTiger
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This country is headed for Hades in a hand basket. Glad I have made prior arrangements!
Even non Christians can sense this
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:16 pm to Revelator
It’s just how humans and our world evolves. The world is getting smarter. Technology, math, and science, have completely changed what we thought we once knew. It’s hard for people to believe in something that can’t be proved, in a time where we can prove so much. Humans have became God.
Religion was nothing more than a theory as to what happens to us when we die, because at the peak times of religion, people didn’t know any better, and had nothing else to go off of. Everything was theories. The minute the United States was created, religion was destined to be destroyed.
Religion was nothing more than a theory as to what happens to us when we die, because at the peak times of religion, people didn’t know any better, and had nothing else to go off of. Everything was theories. The minute the United States was created, religion was destined to be destroyed.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yes
So the common theme is not Christianity, or even religion, but the nature of humanity itself.
There’s your answer.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:18 pm to Revelator
I get all that, I think what the Preacher was getting at that he wasn't here to sell me a religion. I grew up a Baptist, ironically attended a Catholic school for years, and because of those experiences I can understand why from the outside looking in, organized religion can turn some folks off. Leaving the Church that restored my faith back in Florida was one of the toughest things about moving to Florida for Missouri but thankfully we found an amazing Church near us that takes the approach of going thru the Bible book by book, line by line.
In my own personal experience, and that is all it is, is that where I've lived Church attendance has exploded the last couple of years.
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With all that said, I do believe churches will continue to fall, real Christian persecution will come, and eventually, only small house churches, or dead state ran churches will exist.
In my own personal experience, and that is all it is, is that where I've lived Church attendance has exploded the last couple of years.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:18 pm to sta4ever
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It’s just how humans and our world evolves. The world is getting smarter. Technology, math, and science, have completely changed what we thought we once knew. It’s hard for people to believe in something that can’t be proved, in a time where we can prove so much. Humans have became God.
Has all this technology really made us better, happier more content?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:18 pm to Jimbeaux
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So the common theme is not Christianity, or even religion, but the nature of humanity itself.
There’s your answer.
I already knew the answer.
This is about getting Christians to accept the answer.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:21 pm to AgSGT
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In my own personal experience, and that is all it is, is that where I've lived Church attendance has exploded the last couple of years.
I’m glad you have a good church because they are rare. Expository preaching is also rare.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:22 pm to Revelator
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Has all this technology really made us better, happier more content?
No. I’m not claiming that it’s making us happier. I’m just claiming that we’re living in the age of actually knowing things, and how things work, so it’s hard for people to believe in something that can’t be proven.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:24 pm to sta4ever
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Religion was nothing more than a theory as to what happens to us when we die, because at the peak times of religion, people didn’t know any better, and had nothing else to go off of. Everything was theories. The minute the United States was created, religion was destined to be destroyed.
You are stuck in a materialist world view. It’s the way of the contemporary world, so don’t be too ashamed.
Understanding the material world and manipulating it to improve our lives has been a great thing. However it cannot and does not answer questions regarding the metaphysical world.
Why are we here? Where did we come from? How should we live? Why is there suffering?! Is there such a thing as evil, or true goodness, or even free will?
Is there such a thing as sin? Where is the the line to be drawn about what is sinful? Is it enough to live without serious sin, or should I act proactively for my self, my family, other people, the planet? If so, why?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:25 pm to Revelator
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There is no coincidences that the falling away from the faith by many Americans is leading to a more troubled and self serving society.
Agreed...
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:25 pm to Revelator
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I read an article recently that said the large majority of youth ministries are failures and produce few true consistent converts. That’s sad
Conversion/evangelism/seeker-sensitive matters aside, churches are failing to accomplish their purpose as to the flock.
Obviously we talk about it all the time, but people are drawn to be a part of the church as a departure from the secular world and to fulfill their primary objective, not to get a watered down lukewarm version of their daily secular life.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:27 pm to sta4ever
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so it’s hard for people to believe in something that can’t be proven
I understand that sentiment, but for me, when I see what is around me, I find it harder to believe all this came from nothing and evolved without anyone guiding it.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:28 pm to Loserman
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Our constitution was written for a religious and moral people. It is wholly unsuitable for any other- John Adams
Jesus butted heads with the Religious.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:29 pm to AgSGT
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I understand that sentiment, but for me, when I see what is around me, I find it harder to believe all this came from nothing and evolved without anyone guiding it.
Romans 1:19-20
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:30 pm to Revelator
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A more secular citizenry will be more inclined to look to government to affirm rights and not to God.
Hitting the nail on the head. The Government will kill us.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:31 pm to AgSGT
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I understand that sentiment, but for me, when I see what is around me, I find it harder to believe all this came from nothing and evolved without anyone guiding it.
Maybe, but it's a hell of a lot more believable than a god creating it and only telling a few special people that he exists and that everyone has to do what they wrote down and then changed repeatedly.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:35 pm to AgSGT
I don't doubt your sincerity. Appreciate it man.
Anyways, I think the difference is you went through some suffering and you found a way out of it. I think that's great.
I, on the other hand, have not suffered. I was in the military as well, did my time in middle east, west africa (a big shithole imo but I digress), and central america. Saw crazy stuff but honestly, it didn't bother me in that way.
I just don't see a reason as to why people feel like they are "lost". I know people do and I don't ridicule that. I look at life as just one event after another and that's pretty much it.
I don't see any real flaws to life (ok, sure relative ones like we talk about here on this board) but they're never enough to make me say ... I'm lost, I need help on a grand scale. Because yes, everyone asks for help with something but not me as a whole if that makes sense.
I tend to look at reality as being ... it is what it is. And I'm ok with that.
Anyways, I think the difference is you went through some suffering and you found a way out of it. I think that's great.
I, on the other hand, have not suffered. I was in the military as well, did my time in middle east, west africa (a big shithole imo but I digress), and central america. Saw crazy stuff but honestly, it didn't bother me in that way.
I just don't see a reason as to why people feel like they are "lost". I know people do and I don't ridicule that. I look at life as just one event after another and that's pretty much it.
I don't see any real flaws to life (ok, sure relative ones like we talk about here on this board) but they're never enough to make me say ... I'm lost, I need help on a grand scale. Because yes, everyone asks for help with something but not me as a whole if that makes sense.
I tend to look at reality as being ... it is what it is. And I'm ok with that.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:38 pm to Jimbeaux
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Why are we here? Where did we come from? How should we live? Why is there suffering?! Is there such a thing as evil, or true goodness, or even free will?
Christianity can’t explain or answer these things either. The only good thing about Christianity, is it gives a good moral code to live by, like don’t murder, steal, lie, cheat, etc. It’s only a theory. Just like the Big Bang theory, or other theories.
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Is there such a thing as sin? Where is the the line to be drawn about what is sinful? Is it enough to live without serious sin, or should I act proactively for my self, my family, other people, the planet? If so, why?
Why does one need Christianity to understand what’s right or wrong? I know plenty of Christians who are very sinful people, more so than some non-Christians.
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