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re: The danger of school teaches with firearms
Posted on 2/26/18 at 11:44 am to Eurocat
Posted on 2/26/18 at 11:44 am to Eurocat
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I am not anti-gun per se.
Yes you are. It's time to come out of the closet.
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I will not use one because it is just not my style. But I fear I would drop the damn thing and shoot off my private part or big toe or something.
You have an irrational fear of guns, leading to a very bad sense of style. Clearly, you don't need to carry concealed. Likewise, any teachers who have similar problems would not be expected to train and follow the approved school policy to carry concealed in the classroom. I suspect when you were going to school the risk of mass school shootings didn't exist like it does today, but surely you can think back to a teacher or two you had that you would've trusted to carry concealed in school?
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Posted on 2/26/18 at 11:46 am to bamafan1001
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I think arming teachers is almost as bad of an idea as prohibiting certain makes of rifles.
Why?
Because you are exponentially increasing the likelihood of unnecessary and/or accidental firearm discharges in schools for the prevention of what amounts to a statistical anomaly.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 11:46 am to TigerOnThe Hill
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You have an irrational fear of guns, leading to a very bad sense of style
Why, would a 9mm or .45 make for a great matching accessory to his tie and slacks?
Sorry - but "bad sense of style" had me immediately envisioning runway models sporting different firearms :)
Posted on 2/26/18 at 11:59 am to DEG
Idiot teachers? F@ck you with a cactus plant. Both my parents spent their entire life teaching kids and f@cktards like you.
My mom would never carry she would have stood in front of her art students. My father would have welcomed CC training and would have done well if need ever arose. Coaches like him were not wallflowers.
My mom would never carry she would have stood in front of her art students. My father would have welcomed CC training and would have done well if need ever arose. Coaches like him were not wallflowers.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 12:11 pm to Antonio Moss
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Because you are exponentially increasing the likelihood of unnecessary and/or accidental firearm discharges in schools for the prevention of what amounts to a statistical anomaly.
I don’t understand this logic. First of all there has been no reported incidents of students being harmed by teachers carrying in schools that already allow conceal carry. Second, teachers aren’t going to be waving their guns around like a wild west shootout. In all likelihood, students will not even know which teachers have a weapon, and the weapon will be in a lockbox
Posted on 2/26/18 at 12:51 pm to bamafan1001
Once again, we hear this argument that teachers being armed is a bad idea based purely off of irrational fear of guns. Zero evidence, zero facts, pure emotion.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:01 pm to bamafan1001
I’m not trying to be glib or disrespectful.
But we’re past the point of debating whether teachers should be permitted to exercise a legal 2A right.
Until this recent event, I didn’t realize so many schools/states denied students and teachers this basic liberty.
No wonder so many are terrified of the unthinkable happening—they’re sitting ducks.
This isn’t swagger speaking ... but I thank God every day for Texas.
But we’re past the point of debating whether teachers should be permitted to exercise a legal 2A right.
Until this recent event, I didn’t realize so many schools/states denied students and teachers this basic liberty.
No wonder so many are terrified of the unthinkable happening—they’re sitting ducks.
This isn’t swagger speaking ... but I thank God every day for Texas.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:26 pm to skrayper
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Why, would a 9mm or .45 make for a great matching accessory to his tie and slacks?
A nice 1911 in 45 ACP is always a nice accessory to any article of clothing!
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:42 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
This situation could happen today. Shooter enters school, is restrained and weapon taken by coaches, cop mistakes them for shooter...
What does this have to do with the thread title?
What does this have to do with the thread title?
Posted on 2/26/18 at 2:22 pm to Dawgfanman
Not sure why this was directed to me, but I'll address it.
quote:The scenario you fear is highly unlikely. When's the last time you heard of someone carrying concealed get shot inadvertently by police? That is extremely rare because the possible scenario and ways to avoid it are addressed in the concealed carry training. Likewise, it would be addressed by the training the teachers would go through. In addition, the police would know the possibility of armed teachers at the school. I still think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. You can think however you want.
This situation could happen today. Shooter enters school, is restrained and weapon taken by coaches, cop mistakes them for shooter...
quote:Probably nothing since the thread title makes no sense. Regardless, in my original post I addressed points made by the OP in one of his subsequent posts. My second post was directed to someone who'd responded to me.
What does this have to do with the thread title?
Posted on 2/26/18 at 2:35 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
That’s wasn’t directed to you. I just clicked last post and hit reply. My question was for the op. He took a situation that could happen literally anywhere today (group of people disarm someone and get shot as a mistaken perp) and tried to twist it into his debate.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:37 pm to Dawgfanman
No problem. Yeah, if the OP were aware of the training one gets w/ a concealed carry class he'd know the scenario he worries about it highly unlikely.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:59 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
The one thing that continues to be overlooked in this ongoing debate about arming teachers is this:
Once teachers are allowed to carry, the Gun Free Zone designation is removed. Just getting rid of that preposterous label reduces the chances of the school being targeted by a potential shooter astronomically. There is a reason these types of shootings only take place where it's highly unlikely someone will shoot back.
Putting the risk of return fire into the mix makes potential shooters, who are essentially cowards, look elsewhere for targets.
There is ample evidence that arming some teachers and letting the public know that some may be armed is a strong deterrent to these a-holes.
Once teachers are allowed to carry, the Gun Free Zone designation is removed. Just getting rid of that preposterous label reduces the chances of the school being targeted by a potential shooter astronomically. There is a reason these types of shootings only take place where it's highly unlikely someone will shoot back.
Putting the risk of return fire into the mix makes potential shooters, who are essentially cowards, look elsewhere for targets.
There is ample evidence that arming some teachers and letting the public know that some may be armed is a strong deterrent to these a-holes.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:04 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Just need a few in each school. Those qualified and trained bring their AR to school with them in a carry case much like a computer bag. Their classroom has a gun safe. Lock the AR in the safe before students are allowed access to the classroom. In an active shooter scenario, you have 4-5 trained responders within 100-200 feet of any incident. The allowance of this alone would act as a deterrent. If someone is so emboldened to proceed with the plot, you have responders within 30 seconds away. We can start there.
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