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The Current Prime Lending Rate is 3.5%. Volker raised it to 21% in 1981 to beat inflation

Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:29 am
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4391 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:29 am
If we raised it to such heights now, what would happen to our debt service level?

What would the effect be of rolling over 30 years bonds at 12 or 13% at the current debt level?

Is it safe to say that such a strategy is not possible today and that they have settled on a strategy of permanent inflation?

This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 8:30 am
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18314 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:32 am to
BINGO BINGO BINGO

and Peter Schiff warned of this for YEARS.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:34 am to
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and Peter Schiff warned of this for YEARS.




The guy who could be a multi-billionaire if he hadn't spend the last decade ardently arguing Gold >>>>>>> Bitcoin every moment he could?
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
7822 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:34 am to
And houses were 30k
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18314 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:36 am to
He's worth about $100 million, impressive considering where he started.

As for Bitcoin, that's a no for me dawg.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29395 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:38 am to
I have to admit this part of finance is not my forte. But I get the basics I think. Bear with me.

So essentially it would be impossible to raise interest rates to combat inflation as it would make our current debt levels unserviceable? So we either deal with a massive default which wrecks the market permanently or the devaluation of the dollar to the point where it’s worthless and it wrecks our economy permanently?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57297 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:41 am to
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What would the effect be of rolling over 30 years bonds at 12 or 13% at the current debt level?
Our government goes t*ts up. We'd be paying more for interest on the debt than we do for Social security or defense at that point. It would be a largest government expense. So either the government would have to increase tax revenue by 30-40% across the board, or we'd have to cancel Social Security...

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Is it safe to say that such a strategy is not possible today
Absolutely not possible. We have too much debt.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 8:42 am
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51692 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:41 am to
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If we raised it to such heights now, what would happen to our debt service level?


Does the phrase "hey brother, can you spare a dime" mean anything to you? It would with a rate like that.

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Is it safe to say that such a strategy is not possible today and that they have settled on a strategy of permanent inflation?



Yes. The tl;dr is that there's no way out of this without significant pain for many groups. The eventuality is that the Dollar will crash under its own debt because of Congress continuing to spend without any sense of fiscal responsibility.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19540 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:42 am to

And you can get used to not getting any interest back on your “parked” money as long as the rates don’t move.

So you can watch the value of your cash vanish in a savings account or under a mattress, or take your chances in a volatile market.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18314 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:43 am to
Permanently is a strong word. America's had hyperinflation before (Civil War, early colonial days).

Schiff's intermediate solution is adapting the gold standard. Ron Paul wants gov't out of money period.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:57 am to
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Peter Schiff
I saw him speak once at Thanksgiving Point in Lehi, UT. Smalll venue and there were only about 20-30 of us. He spoke for about an hour and stayed after and chatted with 5-6 of us for 15 minutes or so. It was like attending a classroom lecture. He spoke about the issues he always speaks about and struck me as a genuinely nice fellow.

Reading about his Father's plight with the IRS is interesting as well.
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