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re: The cult of ignorance in the United States: Anti-intellectualism

Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:39 pm to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46210 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:39 pm to
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The salient question in each instance is not really "who". "Who" is a matter of rote.

Certainly 'who' is interesting, but the important question should be "why" and "how". Failure to address those belies the real worthlessness of our current educational system.



You're on fire today man. Have another upvote.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:43 am to
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After 20+ years of ranting and raving on the internet, this is the ONLY message board I have ever seen that dismissed source material out of hand. You should check out DU. This place is like a meeting of Nobel Prize winners in comparison.


That's a joke, Jake.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:47 am to
"Hey, my fellow elite smart people, these dumb rednecks are really stinking up the joint. I have an idea to make our country less anti-intellectual. Let's import a bunch of people with sub-100 IQs."
Posted by tedmarkuson
texas
Member since Feb 2015
2592 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:50 am to
if it makes you feel better when ever my wife and i took our kids to a museum, we always joined the "friends of the museum" association so we wouldn't have to stand in the long lines with the poor people.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:12 am to
Anti-intellectualism in the USA has its roots in fundamentalism which requires that you take a book purporting to be the very Word of the divine Person on faith.




Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:19 am to
Rate these as more or less believable

Book of mormon. Tablets were "translated" by looking into a hat and "seeing" letters floating in air.

Koran. The entire thing was dictated by an angel in a day and none of it was written down at the time it was spoken. Oh yes, muhammed could have memorized it all.

Moses got the commandments after god wrote them on stone using lightning to carve the letters.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:21 am to
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"Hey, my fellow elite smart people, these dumb rednecks are really stinking up the joint. I have an idea to make our country less anti-intellectual. Let's import a bunch of people with sub-100 IQs."


I was talking to one of my friends in a bar last night. It doesn't matter what their IQ's are. The culture is fundamentally flawed. They have no sense of personal responsibility, anything bad that happens is someone elses' fault. They don't believe in team work or cohesion. That is why western armies roll over them with ease. They are fatalistic - InShaAllah - as God wills.

We don't need that useless trash here. It is not the race, it is the culture.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:23 am to
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Anti-intellectualism in the USA has its roots in fundamentalism which requires that you take a book purporting to be the very Word of the divine Person on faith.


Yes, so?

“Faith is the substance [assurance] of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1).
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65900 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:24 am to
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According to the National Research Council report, only 28% of high school science teachers consistently follow the National Research Council guidelines on teaching evolution, and 13% of those teachers explicitly advocate creationism or "intelligent design;"



Why are these presented as opposing ideals? Seems very anti-intellectual.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:35 am to
Liberals view "being intellectual" as "how much you agree with them".

This is a corollary of "disagreement with liberals" = "hate speech". For a reference to this one, see Dean, Howard.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63432 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:38 am to
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You can't teach people who don't want to learn.



This sums up a big problem with our public education system.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49548 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:48 am to
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Basically every extremist movements starts with the youth and the poor because they, for lack of a better description, are the least intellectual among us. What is sad is that typically they were uneducated not by choice but by circumstance. Not so in the U.S. We unfortunately have a large contingent of citizens who willingly choose ignorance and the consequence that come from it.



Well said - intentional ignorance is the scourge of mankind.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10771 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:59 am to
The biggest problem with our country is we do not take the best of the best anymore. Just because someone goes through 4yrs of college it does not make them a good teacher. How many teachers have you ever heard of getting fired because they were a poor teacher? And God forbid you complain about them, the school will defend them with a vengeance.

We have a society of everyone gets a trophy now days. That does not promote kids or adults to try hard to be the best.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53741 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:02 am to
The goal of progressives is the dumbest population possible, why they 100% control education.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:20 am to
Leftists decrying the outcome of their own policy and agenda. Amazing. Absolutely amazing
Posted by dinosaur
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
1165 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:20 am to
I agree that the idea of removing competition from some things tends to cause an expectation of reward for little effort. But I think that the problem discussed in the article is more of a result of a toxic soup of children who are not just not interested in learning, but deride those who are, of an unbalanced political position in most of our universities, and a simple lack of respect for our neighbors, especially if they think or believe differently from us. Some ideas have been tested and proved over time, yet today we are "educated" by social media, which tends to give too much easy exposure to the ideas of the thug, the stupid, and the mental sickness of some cultures. Don't know how to fix it, but it sounds like it will only get worse.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:25 am to
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The cult of ignorance in the United States: Anti-intellectualism and the "dumbing down" of America Ray Williams psychologytoday.com Sat, 07 Jun 2014 14:57 UTC There is a growing and disturbing trend of anti-intellectual elitism in American culture. It's the dismissal of science, the arts, and humanities and their replacement by entertainment, self-righteousness, ignorance, and deliberate gullibility. Susan Jacoby, author of The Age of American Unreason, says in an article in the Washington Post, "Dumbness, to paraphrase the late senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, has been steadily defined downward for several decades, by a combination of heretofore irresistible forces. These include the triumph of video culture over print culture; a disjunction between Americans' rising level of formal education and their shaky grasp of basic geography, science and history; and the fusion of anti-rationalism with anti-intellectualism." There has been a long tradition of anti-intellectualism in America, unlike most other Western countries. Richard Hofstadter, who won a Pulitzer Prize in 1964 for his book, Anti-Intellectualism In American Life, describes how the vast underlying foundations of anti-elite, anti-reason and anti-science have been infused into America's political and social fabric. Famous science fiction writer Isaac Asimov once said: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Mark Bauerlein, in his book, The Dumbest Generation, reveals how a whole generation of youth is being dumbed down by their aversion to reading anything of substance and their addiction to digital "crap" via social media. Journalist Charles Pierce, author of Idiot America, adds another perspective: "The rise of idiot America today represents - for profit mainly, but also and more cynically, for political advantage in the pursuit of power - the breakdown of a consensus that the pursuit of knowledge is a good. It also represents the ascendancy of the notion that the people whom we should trust the least are the people who best know what they are talking about. In the new media age, everybody is an expert." "There's a pervasive suspicion of rights, privileges, knowledge and specialization," says Catherine Liu, the author of American Idyll: Academic Antielitism as Cultural Critique and a film and media studies professor at University of California. The very mission of universities has changed, argues Liu. "We don't educate people anymore. We train them to get jobs." Part of the reason for the rising anti-intellectualism can be found in the declining state of education in the U.S. compared to other advanced countries: After leading the world for decades in 25-34 year olds with university degrees, the U.S. is now in 12th place. The World Economic Forum ranked the U.S. at 52nd among 139 nations in the quality of its university math and science instruction in 2010. Nearly 50% of all graduate students in the sciences in the U.S. are foreigners, most of whom are returning to their home countries; The Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs commissioned a civic education poll among public school students. A surprising 77% didn't know that George Washington was the first President; couldn't name Thomas Jefferson as the author of the Declaration of Independence; and only 2.8% of the students actually passed the citizenship test. Along similar lines, the Goldwater Institute of Phoenix did the same survey and only 3.5% of students passed the civics test; According to the National Research Council report, only 28% of high school science teachers consistently follow the National Research Council guidelines on teaching evolution, and 13% of those teachers explicitly advocate creationism or "intelligent design;" 18% of Americans still believe that the sun revolves around the earth, according to a Gallup poll; The American Association of State Colleges and Universities report on education shows that the U.S. ranks second among all nations in the proportion of the population aged 35-64 with a college degree, but 19th in the percentage of those aged 25-34 with an associate or high school diploma, which means that for the first time, the educational attainment of young people will be lower than their parents; 74% of Republicans in the U.S. Senate and 53% in the House of Representatives deny the validity of climate change despite the findings of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and every other significant scientific organization in the world; According to the 2009 National Assessment of Educational Progress, 68% of public school children in the U.S. do not read proficiently by the time they finish third grade. And the U.S. News & World reported that barely 50% of students are ready for college level reading when they graduate; According to a 2006 survey by National Geographic-Roper, nearly half of Americans between ages 18 and 24 do not think it necessary to know the location of other countries in which important news is being made. More than a third consider it "not at all important" to know a foreign language, and only 14 percent consider it "very important;" According to the National Endowment for the Arts report in 1982, 82% of college graduates read novels or poems for pleasure; two decades later only 67% did. John W. Traphagan, Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Texas, argues the problem is that Asian countries have core cultural values that are more akin to a cult of intelligence and education than a cult of ignorance and anti-intellectualism. In Japan, for example, teachers are held in high esteem and normally viewed as among the most important members of a community. There is suspicion and even disdain for the work of teachers that occurs in the U.S. Teachers in Japan typically are paid significantly more than their peers in the U.S. The profession of teaching is one that is seen as being of central value in Japanese society and those who choose that profession are well compensated in terms of salary, pension, and respect for their knowledge and their efforts on behalf of children. In addition, we do not see in Japan significant numbers of the types of religious schools that are designed to shield children from knowledge about basic tenets of science and accepted understandings of history - such as evolutionary theory or the religious views of the Founding Fathers, who were largely deists - which are essential to having a fundamental understanding of the world, Traphagan contends. The reason for this is because in general Japanese value education, value the work of intellectuals, and see a well-educated public with a basic common knowledge in areas of scientific fact, math, history, literature, etc. as being an essential foundation to a successful democracy. We're creating a world of dummies. Angry dummies who feel they have the right, the authority and the need not only to comment on everything, but to make sure their voice is heard above the rest, and to drag down any opposing views through personal attacks, loud repetition and confrontation."


Great article. I'm surprised it was so well received here.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49548 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:31 am to
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But your overall point stands. This board has gotten laughably bad over the last ten years.

The board is going to hell rapidly. First the Trump-cult and then the Trump-haters have combined to make it a chore to read nowadays. Exponentially worse since election night.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:32 am to
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I'm at an art history museum with the kids as I type this.
+2 smart points.

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On the poli board though...
-2.

Can't get ahead like that, pimp.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49420 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:39 am to
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The biggest problem with our country is we do not take the best of the best anymore. Just because someone goes through 4yrs of college it does not make them a good teacher. How many teachers have you ever heard of getting fired because they were a poor teacher?


How many of you guys with advanced degrees and specialized knowledge are offering to teach HS kids?
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