The complete disappearing of Trump's successes in the Middle East

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They had basically stopped paying Hezbollah and other proxies in Iraq.

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This is absolutely not true.

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If Trump had won, Iran would have probably faced mega-inflation and massive civil unrest - just as Israel and the Sunni coalition were increasingly signing agreements and ganging up on Iran.

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The US and Iran had been playing a dangerous game since the summer of 2019, each trying to gain a sliver of an advantage in case of either war or negotiation. And this is a fanciful reading of internal Iranian politics, as the resumption of the sanctions regime represented a victory for particular Iranian factions.

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But now Biden and Co made it first-order business to rush back to the table with Iran, which has essentially given them a lifeline and a new lease on life. This, in turn, has emboldened their "partners" and proxies like Palestine.

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Again, this is a very peculiar reading of the situation. Iran has invested heavily in developing proxies, essentially using Rumsfeld's notion of taking the war anywhere but the homeland, and fighting in active theaters while preparing for the possibility of an actual invasion. That investment was still active from 2016-2020, and will be active unless somehow the threat of war from the US is lessened. As long as the Iranians believe the US wants war, they will use their proxies to ensure their survival. This notion predates Obama, Biden, Trump, and Bush II, as it was formed in the early days of the Lebanese Civil War, from proselytizing and organizing done under the initial direction of the Shah. It has continued unabated, because the Iranian security state from the era of the Shah was wholly subsumed by the revolutionary state, as Iranian regional aims are informed by events older than just American interaction.

The narratives developed in the Western press are not well-informed, unfortunately. The Iranians have developed a distinct economic structure through the IRGC that allows them to circumvent sanctions, and they've been aided in that circumvention by Russia, among other European allies as well. The notion that these particular sanctions are finally going to be the ones that results in regime-change is orthodoxy among certain think-tanks, but what have the results proved?

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Iran has invested heavily in developing proxies, essentially using Rumsfeld's notion of taking the war anywhere but the homeland, and fighting in active theaters while preparing for the possibility of an actual invasion. That investment was still active from 2016-2020, and will be active unless somehow the threat of war from the US is lessened. As long as the Iranians believe the US wants war, they will use their proxies to ensure their survival. This notion predates Obama, Biden, Trump, and Bush II, as it was formed in the early days of the Lebanese Civil War, from proselytizing and organizing done under the initial direction of the Shah. It has continued unabated, because the Iranian security state from the era of the Shah was wholly subsumed by the revolutionary state, as Iranian regional aims are informed by events older than just American interaction.

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I agree with you that Iran wants to continue funding proxy wars.

And the obvious fact is, they did. Where did the money come from to do this? Could it have anything to do with the money Obama gave them?

And let's be straightforward why palliative is firing rockets again.

They have bidenfrick in the white house. He is sympathetic to the Palestinian situation of suffering through vicious air raid after air raid by Israel for no reason other than firing hundreds of rockets at innocent cities in Israel. Yes these idiots started it.

They started it because bidenfrick returned hundreds of million in funding to this terrorist organization.

Biden should immediately stop the funding. He freaking just restored it April and they started a war within a month.

Also the leader was supposed to have elections that he was going to lose. This had given him the cover to postpone the elections. His 4 year term was supposed to be up over a decade ago. But wow, here we go again.

No one could've seen this happening...

Congrats on voting for this JB supporters

As someone who spent a lot of time in the Middle East, and enjoyed a career that allowed me to do some cool shite, I was never under the belief that there would be peace there. Trump moved that needle significantly and to see all of that progress unwound is disheartening.

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Iranian regional aims are informed by events older than just American interaction.

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Yet Iran’s current Revolutionary State is sadly in many ways a reaction and lasting legacy of past American interventionism in the region. The Shah himself was installed by a CIA sponsored putsch.

Recommended reading: America's Great Game: The CIA's Secret Arabists and the Shaping of the Modern Middle East by Hugh Wilford.

This book of deep history focuses primarily on three CIA agents and their regime change efforts in three countries after WWII: Syria, Egypt and Iran. The key figure that emerges is Kermit “Kim” Roosevelt — grandson of Theodore. Roosevelt was recruited into the CIA to work in the Office of Policy Coordination, the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency.

A rather complicated chess game of competing powers in the newly formed CIA emerges — the Zionists vs. the anti-Zionists. And what a game it was. Wilford illustrates how these agent provocateurs were very short sighted in their schemes and largely viewed the indigenous populations of the Middle Eastern nations as simple pawns in a larger chess game between the Great Powers.

Kim Roosevelt, along with assistance from his cousin Archibald Roosevelt, masterminded the 1953 Iranian coup d'état which toppled nationalist prime minister Mohammed Mosaddeqh after Mosaddeqh nationalized the petroleum industry in Iran. Miles Copeland — a Birmingham Alabama native and the father of the famed rock musician Stewart — was also a CIA spook who was instrumental in shaping the Middle Eastern landscape after the end of WWII. Copeland helped orchestrate the first CIA military coup in the Arab world: the 1949 bloodless putsch by Colonel Husni al-Za’im in Syria. Archibald in turn orchestrated a second 1956 regime change operation in Syria after a violent counter-coup displaced the al-Za’im regime.

These CIA wunderkinds with blue-blood pedigrees viewed the nation states in the post-colonial era as blank slates to be shaped at will by their knowledge and intellect. Yet rather than fundamentally transform power relations in the Middle East to pro-American sentiment as promised, this spy clique of the Eastern Establishment inculcated a residual and generational resentment toward American meddling in the region that is still evident today. Whether it was braggadocio, naïveté or misplaced idealism, the failures of these nation building efforts shaped the modern Middle East that we know today.

The series of regime change operations in Syria and the ensuing instability ultimately pushed that nation closer to Moscow. The CIA’s initial backing of Egyptian General Mohamed Naguib — and his young protege General Gamal Abdel Nasser — likewise backfired when Nasser ousted his elder benefactor, turned his back on the West and nationalized the Suez Canal. As a tweak to the West, Nasser also opened diplomatic channels to the Soviet Union and supported the creation of a socialist pan-Arabic State. And of course, we all know the results of the festering resentment that finally resulted in the Iranian revolution.

Sadly, the game continues anew. The same doublespeak and false promises spew forth from the mouths of these Masters of the Universe types in our corrupt national security apparatus. Perhaps one can rule out the chaos and violent fury released upon the region after the Iraq War as an unforeseen contingency. Yet we have now seen a succession of four Middle Eastern nations — Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen — engulfed in violence and human catastrophe after US, NATO and Western military intervention. And now these Masters of the Universe want a war with Iran?

Not coincidentally, each of these repeated military interventions have been followed by a staggering refugee wave headed for Europe. Yet in the name of pluralism, Western nations are sternly lectured by many of these same ruling elites that it must open their borders to a deluge of immigrants whose values are wholly alien to pluralistic societies and must instead welcome these immigrants though they have demonstrated violent antagonism toward free societies?

At this point, naïveté can’t be blamed for these repeated failures. At this late stage, it is sheer madness to claim the situation in the Middle East is all an unforeseen accident. The pattern is established and is crystal clear for anyone who doesn’t regurgitate the p.c. platitudes of multiculturalism. The minute details and the exact coordination of the plan becomes irrelevant when the larger pattern is so clear. Chaos is indeed the goal.

Again, we can’t change the past. But must we be doomed to repeat it?

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So a region that barely got a mention before (for 5 or 6 centuries) among the great powers became increasingly and immensely important over the next several decades.

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Almost solely due to the relative peace of Ottoman rule. But the west Asian corridor was an extremely contentious place since the Greek-Persian rivalry. The extension of that into the Roman-Sasanian conflict played a large part in the rise of Islam, as many places in the region welcomed Arab invaders due to, at that point, nearly a millenia of rivalry between various Eastern Med and Persian empires. The warfare continued until the Turks, though the rivalry continued with Persia, but also developed the dominant Islamic culture before the rise of the Wahhabis, the Turco-Persian culture, which extended from Anatolia to Mesopotamia to Central Asia to North India.

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But the west Asian corridor was an extremely contentious place since the Greek-Persian rivalry.

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No question - lots of ebb and flow and transition over the years, particularly between the relative stability of the Roman and Ottoman periods (and, obviously, the past century).

But, to pretend the Arabs and Jews have been at each other's throats back to the Pyramids or even to the birth of Islam isn't just an oversimplification - it's wrong.

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f Trump had won, Iran would have probably faced mega-inflation and massive civil unrest - just as Israel and the Sunni coalition were increasingly signing agreements and ganging up on Iran.

But now Biden and Co made it first-order business to rush back to the table with Iran, which has essentially given them a lifeline and a new lease on life. This, in turn, has emboldened their "partners" and proxies like Palestine.

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This was all part of the reason it was so important to steal the election and get Trump out. The Globalist get their power through unrest, fear and war. Trump shut all of that down. It's easy to see how effective and easy it is to control "terrorism" and "extremism" if you really want to end it. Trump proved peace through strength is real.

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Again, this is a very peculiar reading of the situation. Iran has invested heavily in developing proxies, essentially using Rumsfeld's notion of taking the war anywhere but the homeland, and fighting in active theaters while preparing for the possibility of an actual invasion. That investment was still active from 2016-2020, and will be active unless somehow the threat of war from the US is lessened. As long as the Iranians believe the US wants war, they will use their proxies to ensure their survival. This notion predates Obama, Biden, Trump, and Bush II, as it was formed in the early days of the Lebanese Civil War, from proselytizing and organizing done under the initial direction of the Shah. It has continued unabated, because the Iranian security state from the era of the Shah was wholly subsumed by the revolutionary state, as Iranian regional aims are informed by events older than just American interaction.

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There may be some truth here^^^^ but Iran's desire to carry out a proxy war using terrorism is extremely curtailed if idiots like John Kerry, Obammy, Rice, etc. hadn't delivered tens of billions of dollars to the Islamic regime. Never forget Kerry was working outside of the State Department all through Trump's presidency assuring the mullahs once Trump is ousted it will be back to BAU.