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re: The church is dying. The killer is the government

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Posted by Choctaw
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Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

well to be fair. 

I am. 


I emphatically disagree. You're an insufferable dick, but you already know this.
Posted by mattloc
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:59 pm to
He is what happens when that 40ish dude in moms basement gets a tablet for christmas and figures out his neighbors wifi password









just kidding rob but I do agree your insufferable
Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:02 pm to
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I emphatically disagree. You're an insufferable dick, but you already know this.


I'm that too.
Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:03 pm to
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He is what happens when that 40ish dude in moms basement gets a tablet for christmas and figures out his neighbors wifi password









just kidding rob but I do agree your insufferable


Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:14 pm to
I used to despise Rob, now I envy his ability to rustle jimmies
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:50 pm to
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I'm pretty sure that catholics, protestants, Jews, Muslims, and everyone else who worships a single deity, worship the same one.





we actually agree on something
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:50 pm to
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If we count Cosmos as an atheist broadcast (as many christians do) an atheist program is currently wrecking shop in the ratings department
Well if we count as atheist a program that does not even admit itself atheist, put on by a host who does not admit himself as atheist either, then the NFL and NBA must be unabashedly Christian proselytizing efforts, because the players are praying at game beginning and end . . . . all the time.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:52 pm to
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If we count Cosmos as an atheist broadcast (as many christians do) an atheist program is currently wrecking shop in the ratings department
. . . and rob actually gave that a "boom"


This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 4:53 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 12:44 am to
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Well if we count as atheist a program that does not even admit itself atheist, put on by a host who does not admit himself as atheist either, then the NFL and NBA must be unabashedly Christian proselytizing efforts, because the players are praying at game beginning and end . . . . all the time.


I didnt say it was an atheist broadcast, or even that I considered it an atheist broadcast. I was using the christian standard of atheist broadcasting.

My point was christians cant call things like that atheist programs then turn around and claim nobody watches anything atheist oriented. It's hypocritical.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:52 am to
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I didnt say it was an atheist broadcast, or even that I considered it an atheist broadcast. I was using the christian standard of atheist broadcasting.

My point was christians cant call things like that atheist programs then turn around and claim nobody watches anything atheist oriented. It's hypocritical.
and my point was your NFL comparison was silly. You can butter that bread any way you want. It's still buttered bread.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 6:56 am to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:18 am to
Except that I didnt make any NFL comparison, rob did.

Whoops
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:35 am to
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Except that I didnt make any NFL comparison, rob did. Whoops
whoops indeed

Hey rob, btw those tire tracks on your back are from Roger's bus
Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:48 am to
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Hey rob, btw those tire tracks on your back are from Roger's bus


lol


Posted by rcocke2
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:39 am to
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I even remember growing up the son of a deacon in the 80s


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A man came to church and he was hungry. It happened to be potluck night. He was treated like a king, and my dad asked me to sit in the back seat and he took this man to a local motel, paid for three nights and gave him a $100 bill and his business card. They found the man work the next morning.


Which is best? Those who sit at the head of the table or those who serve? I think most here know where this question comes from....

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And the church is wondering where all this immorality came from - they contributed heavily to it.


Lukewarm believers. Spewed out.....
Posted by rcocke2
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:45 am to
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Really smart people believe in God, it isnt necessarily a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of credulity if anything.


It's a matter of belief. Credure, episteme (epistle), or 'a letter of credit' or 'trust'. To go with the story because one trusts.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:50 am to
Credulity and faith are interchangeable when faith is placed in something with minimal evidence. You believe because you want it to be true. By definition, any such belief is credulous whether it is true or not.

Even if christians have it right, they are still credulous individuals because their belief isnt rooted in any observable knowledge base man has discovered yet.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 11:53 am
Posted by rcocke2
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 12:03 pm to
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Even if christians have it right, they are still credulous individuals because their belief isnt rooted in any observable knowledge base man has discovered yet.


I knew this was coming. Funny how atheists of today resemble fundamentalists of yesteryear.

Your statement seems to confirm your misunderstanding of science and its limitations. Observable? Do you mistake the absence of evidence for the evidence of absence?
Posted by rcocke2
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 12:15 pm to
In the real world we do not have much evidence or we have incomplete information, thus the question, "God or no God?" is essentially true/false. This means, since most evidence is hidden from us, that a decision still must be made and I'll go with the unbounded choice, TRUE. I have a hard time treating the unborn as I would the dead.
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