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re: The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality - the left

Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:53 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:53 am to
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Sodomy ... is named for the nasty perverted men in Sodom who wanted to "know"(have sexual relations) with the two angels who were visiting Lot at the time.
Presumably, angels are created beings, do not reproduce sexually and would have no physical gender/sex. implied at Matthew 23:10.. Like God, the would be completely asexual.

If the citizens of Sodom wanted to screw two angels, would it really have been a "same sex" affair? Or more like fricking another species? Bestiality?

On the other hand, the Nephilim in Genesis may be the offspring of angels ... though angels are not mentioned by species. They may also be the offspring of God-believing men and non-believing women. No one is sure.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 8:28 am
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:00 pm to
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It’s not hard to translate commandments. “Do not do this.”

I must have missed the don't be gay commandment. The person in OP has a point. I'm not saying they are right or wrong. It's impossible to do so unless you could ask the original author.

Sorry for trying to examine it objectively.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:02 pm to
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Sorry for trying to examine it objectively
a grave sin.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:04 pm to
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do believe she is right about Jesus never speaking out against homosexuality, though.


Not directly. Two Gospels recount Jesus stating, "The Father made them man and woman." (Or male and female in some translations).

Jesus was speaking about marriage. By authoritatively declaring that God made us man and woman for His purposes, Jesus is stating clearly that marriage is one man, one woman, and nothing else.

Paul's letters also declared that homosexual acts are an abomination, supporting what was told to us in the Old Testament.

The issue is not BEING homosexual. Your attraction is what it is. ACTING on that attraction is what gets you into trouble.
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:08 pm to
Why are we even entertaining this nonsense? Demons will justify anything as permissible to satisfy their morally bankrupt and self-destructive hedonism.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:08 pm to
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I must have missed the don't be gay commandment. The person in OP has a point. I'm not saying they are right or wrong. It's impossible to do so unless you could ask the original author. Sorry for trying to examine it objectively.


Biblical scholars have been examining scripture for about 2000 years. I’m pretty sure that the person in the OP hasn’t stumbled upon some revelation that has been missed until now.

I wonder what’s different nowadays…

ETA: for a much better case than “it’s in the Bible” you can read the Catholic Catechism’s section on matrimony.

LINK
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:14 pm to
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I’m ok with their translation.


I'm not, but I'm not the judge. He is.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:20 pm to
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Why are we even entertaining this nonsense? Demons will justify anything as permissible to satisfy their morally bankrupt and self-destructive hedonism.
Need one not actually UNDERSTAND the Biblical language, in order the DETERMINE what constitutes "morally bankrupt" behavior?

As a simple example, if a given English translation said "woman," but the original Hebrew or Greek is better-translated as "crone," might that distinction not be important?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:25 pm to
This is so stupid it’s almost not worth addressing. The Bible is very explicit about the act of homosexuality and specifically says it’s a sin for a man to lay with a man as he lays with a woman. It’s very clear and concise about homosexuality throughout the Bible and it would take huge and unbiblical leaps to pretend any other interpretations.
I always have this question for any person wanting to justify homosexuality using the Bible and it’s this.
Show me one passage in the entire Bible that portrays homosexuality in a positive light.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:32 pm to
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This is so stupid it’s almost not worth addressing. The Bible is very explicit about the act of homosexuality and specifically says it’s a sin for a man to lay with a man as he lays with a woman
That is the language found in your preferred English translation of a Greek translation of a Hebrew text.
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A. Hebrew: w’eth-zäkhar lö’ tiškav miškeve ‘iššâ

B. Literal Translation: With male you shall not lie lyings of a woman. abomination is that.[2]

C. NRSV Translation: You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination.
There are a LOT of assumptions and interpolations between A and C. Not all translations MAKE that assumptions and interpolations, and translations into OTHER modern languages seem (almost uniformly) to translate the Hebrew differently. See above.

Article addressing alternative English translations of this phrase, based upon grammar and use of the same terms elsewhere in the Old Testament
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:33 pm to
Adultery is a sin too. Any of you preachers ever have sex out of wedlock? I didn’t not understand why God would make you attracted to a certain sex then forbid it. Seems like a dick move
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:34 pm to
the bible was originally written by rabbis interested in their tribe reproducing.
it's been translated by people paid to do it.
pretending it's the word of god is the original big lie.

therefore asking the general public to take seriously any advice about relationships in marriage or relationships with strangers for whatever reason is all just one group demanding every one submit to one very limited teaching.
Christianity is like islam.
do what we say!
our book is true.
our book is great.
your book sucks donkey dick.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:37 pm to
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or a much better case than “it’s in the Bible” you can read the Catholic Catechism’s section on matrimony.



Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:44 pm to
Depends wants more homosexuals and homosexual activity. Gay men over the age of 55 account for about 25% of their total sales.
Posted by Swamp Angel
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:45 pm to
The word "arsenokoitai" appears only once in the Bible, and was coined by the Apostle Paul in 1 Cor 6:9 to describe a man taking another man to bed. There is no other instance of this word in scripture.

The meaning is quite clear when taken in context and viewed with an eye to the history of the city of Corinth. Leftist progressives, however, have been on a bent lately to change the meaning of just about every word in the English language that they believe refutes their desire to live amorally and hedonistically without consequence for their actions.

Just think back for yourself to the past two or three years. The definition for vaccine was changed to reflect a desire to push an untested injection on a fearful population. A nominee for justice of the Supreme Court claimed to be unable to define "man" and "woman." A few decades ago a sitting president questioned the definition of the word "is." Men who have had their testicles and penises removed are no longer referred to by the correct term, eunuchs. They are now called "she." And even those who are still fully intact are referred to by accepted current society as "she" if they choose to identify as such. Which then leads us to the use of the word "identify." (This could go on and on and on with no end in sight because ignorance and evil are without limits.)

Destini Robinson isn't the first to try to twist language and change the definition of words to suit her desires, and she certainly won't be the last. The mentally deficient, mentally ill, and mentally disturbed will always be a part of the population. It's a shame that we have failed them by pretending they are normal and everything is fine rather than providing them with treatment to overcome this illness.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:49 pm to
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I didn’t not understand why God would make you attracted to a certain sex then forbid it. Seems like a dick move


Do you believe that someone cheating on their spouse is immoral?
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29378 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:49 pm to
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I didn’t not understand why God would make you attracted to a certain sex then forbid it. Seems like a dick move


Each of us has a cross to bear.

Addiction of any kind is sinful, as the object of our addiction becomes an idol and pulls us away from God.

Some people are pathological liars, some are serial womanizers. Others may be thieves and murderers.

None of us are perfect, and all who declare themselves to be Christian must humble themselves before God and ask forgiveness. God will not withhold His grace from someone who is truly repentant.

The latter is why I have a problem with the gay takeover of churches. Because the gays don't consider their actions sinful, they do not seek forgiveness for those sins. They mock God by declaring their pride in their sinful ways. Woe to them who not only mock God in this manner, but also deceive sincere followers to support this. Those led astray will hopefully have the scales lifted from their eyes. Judgment will be harsh for those preaching a false gospel.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:49 pm to
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The word "arsenokoitai" appears only once in the Bible
And nowhere ELSE in any Koine writing prior to Paul's letter.
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was coined by the Apostle Paul in 1 Cor 6:9 to describe a man taking another man to bed
Sort of. It is an attempt at word-for-word translation of a Hebrew phrase used in Leviticus.
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The meaning is quite clear when taken in context and viewed with an eye to the history of the city of Corinth.
Obviously a Greek city. Was the erastes-eromenos relationship still in vogue by this time? My understanding is that the practice basically died-out with the Classical period, several hundred years before Paul wrote his letters.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 1:17 pm
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:52 pm to
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AggieHank86


Rather than go in circles about this translation or that translation, go ahead and just read through the catechism section I linked and then come back and make the case for “Christian-endorsed” homosexuality.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:57 pm to
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go ahead and just read through the catechism section I linked
No offense to Catholics, but I am not one and don't have much interest in reading 20 pages of catholic interpretations.

Can you give me a specific section to read that applies to this discussion?
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 1:01 pm
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